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Post by paulsw2 on Feb 23, 2018 18:07:44 GMT
Another long route was the 54 Plumstead Common to Selsdon and the 88 on Sundays Merton Garage and Acton Green Via Phipps Bridge Estate or the 220 West Croydon to Park Royal Stadium
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Post by busaholic on Feb 24, 2018 0:26:50 GMT
Another long route was the 54 Plumstead Common to Selsdon and the 88 on Sundays Merton Garage and Acton Green Via Phipps Bridge Estate or the 220 West Croydon to Park Royal Stadium The 88 had journeys to Belmont Hospital on Sundays too, and some were definitely to/from Acton Green.
The 37 operated Hounslow to Peckham and there were through journeys every day of the week amongst the variety of shorts, although only certain of the garages could operate them to stay within the union agreements on shifts. Putney definitely operated throughs, and I believe Stockwell too, but never AV (Hounslow) - I did the full journey once.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 24, 2018 0:54:17 GMT
Another long route was the 54 Plumstead Common to Selsdon and the 88 on Sundays Merton Garage and Acton Green Via Phipps Bridge Estate or the 220 West Croydon to Park Royal Stadium The 88 had journeys to Belmont Hospital on Sundays too, and some were definitely to/from Acton Green.
The 37 operated Hounslow to Peckham and there were through journeys every day of the week amongst the variety of shorts, although only certain of the garages could operate them to stay within the union agreements on shifts. Putney definitely operated throughs, and I believe Stockwell too, but never AV (Hounslow) - I did the full journey once.
AV did through journeys to Peckham during the morning peaks.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 24, 2018 1:13:19 GMT
Another long route was the 54 Plumstead Common to Selsdon and the 88 on Sundays Merton Garage and Acton Green Via Phipps Bridge Estate or the 220 West Croydon to Park Royal Stadium The 88 had journeys to Belmont Hospital on Sundays too, and some were definitely to/from Acton Green.
The 37 operated Hounslow to Peckham and there were through journeys every day of the week amongst the variety of shorts, although only certain of the garages could operate them to stay within the union agreements on shifts. Putney definitely operated throughs, and I believe Stockwell too, but never AV (Hounslow) - I did the full journey once.
I'd of love to have done the full 37 route but I was 2 years old when it was cut back though it was the correct decision to do so - I've nearly done it using the modern day version of doing a H37, 337 & 37 which I've done back to back between Hounslow & Brixton
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Post by John tuthill on Feb 24, 2018 10:53:20 GMT
Another long route was the 54 Plumstead Common to Selsdon and the 88 on Sundays Merton Garage and Acton Green Via Phipps Bridge Estate or the 220 West Croydon to Park Royal Stadium The 88 had journeys to Belmont Hospital on Sundays too, and some were definitely to/from Acton Green.
The 37 operated Hounslow to Peckham and there were through journeys every day of the week amongst the variety of shorts, although only certain of the garages could operate them to stay within the union agreements on shifts. Putney definitely operated throughs, and I believe Stockwell too, but never AV (Hounslow) - I did the full journey once.
I would agree with you, but something in the back of my mind.............. Check out Ian Armstrongs bus page, it DID run from AV,which was news to me, when AF lost its share(25th April 1981)
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Post by busaholic on Feb 24, 2018 21:07:13 GMT
The 88 had journeys to Belmont Hospital on Sundays too, and some were definitely to/from Acton Green.
The 37 operated Hounslow to Peckham and there were through journeys every day of the week amongst the variety of shorts, although only certain of the garages could operate them to stay within the union agreements on shifts. Putney definitely operated throughs, and I believe Stockwell too, but never AV (Hounslow) - I did the full journey once.
I would agree with you, but something in the back of my mind.............. Check out Ian Armstrongs bus page, it DID run from AV,which was news to me, when AF lost its share(25th April 1981) I knew it ran from AV, but never saw any of their buses east of Clapham, but they may, apparently, have run through to Peckham in the a.m. rush hour, which I admit was a time of day I rarely observed the route. I can't remember whether New Cross, when they briefly worked the route, ever got further west than Richmond but, if Hounslow got through to Peckham, then probably NX could have made Hounslow.
Reading my previous post, above, my deliberate mistake was to misname Banstead Hospital Belmont Hospital (so even longer!) Shepherds Bush buses DID work through, by the way, I've seen photo proof.
The subject of multiple garages working longish routes is quite interesting: in days gone by when short workings were seen as quite normal (indeed, a reflection of actual demand on given sections at different times of the day and days of the week) then it was often the case that a particular garage might never work one part of the route. The 175 in the early 1070s was an excellent example of this - look at the allocations and guess which garages never saw Blackwall Tunnel and which never saw Passingford Bridge! The one that intrigued me as a boy was, when the 47 got extended from Shoreditch to Stamford Hill, Dalston buses never seemed to be pushed through: I'm sure it was to do with duties/reliefs as D buses usually sped off, in service, to the garage via Hackney Road on arrival at Shoreditch. Actually, Dalston buses always seemed to have an aversion to going from far north of their base, whereas Farnborough (Kent), Dulwich and Mortlake were regular destinations, even Dagenham on a Sunday!
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Post by bookd on Feb 25, 2018 1:15:02 GMT
As I grew up (a long time ago) in the provinces I was used to most routes going from A to B and back again I have always been amazed at the LT timetables of that era with two or more overlapping sections and rare through journeys(as well, in some cases, of different end to end terminals at weekends). Looking at country area timetables is worse - other than the trunk routes some seem to have followed a different routing on nearly every journey; it is surprising that passengers ever found them.
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Post by redexpress on Feb 25, 2018 1:29:19 GMT
N92 Kingston - Potters Bar is worth a mention. Not for being the longest route, but because it was only extended to Kingston in 1992, at a time when most longish routes were being shortened, so it was very much against the trend. Lasted less than two years though.
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Post by riverside on Feb 26, 2018 16:08:55 GMT
I would agree with you, but something in the back of my mind.............. Check out Ian Armstrongs bus page, it DID run from AV,which was news to me, when AF lost its share(25th April 1981) I knew it ran from AV, but never saw any of their buses east of Clapham, but they may, apparently, have run through to Peckham in the a.m. rush hour, which I admit was a time of day I rarely observed the route. I can't remember whether New Cross, when they briefly worked the route, ever got further west than Richmond but, if Hounslow got through to Peckham, then probably NX could have made Hounslow.
Reading my previous post, above, my deliberate mistake was to misname Banstead Hospital Belmont Hospital (so even longer!) Shepherds Bush buses DID work through, by the way, I've seen photo proof.
The subject of multiple garages working longish routes is quite interesting: in days gone by when short workings were seen as quite normal (indeed, a reflection of actual demand on given sections at different times of the day and days of the week) then it was often the case that a particular garage might never work one part of the route. The 175 in the early 1070s was an excellent example of this - look at the allocations and guess which garages never saw Blackwall Tunnel and which never saw Passingford Bridge! The one that intrigued me as a boy was, when the 47 got extended from Shoreditch to Stamford Hill, Dalston buses never seemed to be pushed through: I'm sure it was to do with duties/reliefs as D buses usually sped off, in service, to the garage via Hackney Road on arrival at Shoreditch. Actually, Dalston buses always seemed to have an aversion to going from far north of their base, whereas Farnborough (Kent), Dulwich and Mortlake were regular destinations, even Dagenham on a Sunday!
Some New Cross 37s definitely did make it all the way through to Hounslow. In the early 1980s when I was a conductor at Stamford Brook on the 237s I would see the odd 37 from NX.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 21:08:27 GMT
I knew it ran from AV, but never saw any of their buses east of Clapham, but they may, apparently, have run through to Peckham in the a.m. rush hour, which I admit was a time of day I rarely observed the route. I can't remember whether New Cross, when they briefly worked the route, ever got further west than Richmond but, if Hounslow got through to Peckham, then probably NX could have made Hounslow.
Reading my previous post, above, my deliberate mistake was to misname Banstead Hospital Belmont Hospital (so even longer!) Shepherds Bush buses DID work through, by the way, I've seen photo proof.
The subject of multiple garages working longish routes is quite interesting: in days gone by when short workings were seen as quite normal (indeed, a reflection of actual demand on given sections at different times of the day and days of the week) then it was often the case that a particular garage might never work one part of the route. The 175 in the early 1070s was an excellent example of this - look at the allocations and guess which garages never saw Blackwall Tunnel and which never saw Passingford Bridge! The one that intrigued me as a boy was, when the 47 got extended from Shoreditch to Stamford Hill, Dalston buses never seemed to be pushed through: I'm sure it was to do with duties/reliefs as D buses usually sped off, in service, to the garage via Hackney Road on arrival at Shoreditch. Actually, Dalston buses always seemed to have an aversion to going from far north of their base, whereas Farnborough (Kent), Dulwich and Mortlake were regular destinations, even Dagenham on a Sunday!
Some New Cross 37s definitely did make it all the way through to Hounslow. In the early 1980s when I was a conductor at Stamford Brook on the 237s I would see the odd 37 from NX. The AV pattern was for early jnys daily (2 max) reaching Peckham. MF peaks they reached Clapham Common & some Brixton jnys. Most trips ended at Clapham Junction. NX/PM/CA all reached Hounslow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 21:12:50 GMT
The 27 was a good one.. Before my time in buses FW had a Sunday allocation when it ran to Teddington Station.
Another fave was the Sunday 14 running from Putney Heath to Crouch End.
Have a look at the schedule, there are some lovely short trips clearly down to union issues. AF running shorts from Putney to South Ken / Hyde Pk Cnr / Euston often just behind a HT bus doing full route
The 290 was my ultimate favourite though Hammersmith to Thorpe Park.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 27, 2018 21:13:28 GMT
Some New Cross 37s definitely did make it all the way through to Hounslow. In the early 1980s when I was a conductor at Stamford Brook on the 237s I would see the odd 37 from NX. The AV pattern was for early jnys daily (2 max) reaching Peckham. MF peaks they reached Clapham Common & some Brixton jnys. Most trips ended at Clapham Junction. NX/PM/CA all reached Hounslow. SW also reached Hounslow from weekdays evenings during the late 80s through to the 90s with B20 DMSs.
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Post by busaholic on Feb 27, 2018 22:42:03 GMT
The 27 was a good one.. Before my time in buses FW had a Sunday allocation when it ran to Teddington Station. Another fave was the Sunday 14 running from Putney Heath to Crouch End. Have a look at the schedule, there are some lovely short trips clearly down to union issues. AF running shorts from Putney to South Ken / Hyde Pk Cnr / Euston often just behind a HT bus doing full route The 290 was my ultimate favourite though Hammersmith to Thorpe Park. During my short and ignominious time in the Schedules Dept at 55 Broadway the 47 received an allocation from Clapton garage on a Saturday, replacing Dalston on that day. I took a look at the schedule and saw that just one, late evening Clapton duty made it right through to Farnborough. As I lived in Beckenham, and had parents close by Bromley South station, I decided to travel on the journey and made a polite enquiry of the conductor whether the driver knew the way! The conductor replied that they'd been told 'just carry on in a straight line from Bromley Garage and after x minutes you'll arrive in Farnborough'. I had to explain to him that if they did that they'd end up in Green Street Green, Farnborough being on a (then) poorly signed turn-off, easily missed in the dark. Being young and foolish, I offered to chaperone them, knowing that as the bus was already running late they'd be back out of Farnborough like a bat out of hell. To my surprise, and after a conflab, they accepted my offer, the arrangement being that the bell would be rung twice in close succession prior to the last stop before the turn-off, after which time the bus would slow down and look for the turn-off. It worked well, I think they were grateful, and certainly the one or two genuine passengers being carried should have been!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 0:30:20 GMT
The 27 was a good one.. Before my time in buses FW had a Sunday allocation when it ran to Teddington Station. Another fave was the Sunday 14 running from Putney Heath to Crouch End. Have a look at the schedule, there are some lovely short trips clearly down to union issues. AF running shorts from Putney to South Ken / Hyde Pk Cnr / Euston often just behind a HT bus doing full route The 290 was my ultimate favourite though Hammersmith to Thorpe Park. During my short and ignominious time in the Schedules Dept at 55 Broadway the 47 received an allocation from Clapton garage on a Saturday, replacing Dalston on that day. I took a look at the schedule and saw that just one, late evening Clapton duty made it right through to Farnborough. As I lived in Beckenham, and had parents close by Bromley South station, I decided to travel on the journey and made a polite enquiry of the conductor whether the driver knew the way! The conductor replied that they'd been told 'just carry on in a straight line from Bromley Garage and after x minutes you'll arrive in Farnborough'. I had to explain to him that if they did that they'd end up in Green Street Green, Farnborough being on a (then) poorly signed turn-off, easily missed in the dark. Being young and foolish, I offered to chaperone them, knowing that as the bus was already running late they'd be back out of Farnborough like a bat out of hell. To my surprise, and after a conflab, they accepted my offer, the arrangement being that the bell would be rung twice in close succession prior to the last stop before the turn-off, after which time the bus would slow down and look for the turn-off. It worked well, I think they were grateful, and certainly the one or two genuine passengers being carried should have been! Lovely story. I miss those times of quirky incidents and odd workings. So bland now.
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Post by busaholic on Feb 28, 2018 15:21:23 GMT
During my short and ignominious time in the Schedules Dept at 55 Broadway the 47 received an allocation from Clapton garage on a Saturday, replacing Dalston on that day. I took a look at the schedule and saw that just one, late evening Clapton duty made it right through to Farnborough. As I lived in Beckenham, and had parents close by Bromley South station, I decided to travel on the journey and made a polite enquiry of the conductor whether the driver knew the way! The conductor replied that they'd been told 'just carry on in a straight line from Bromley Garage and after x minutes you'll arrive in Farnborough'. I had to explain to him that if they did that they'd end up in Green Street Green, Farnborough being on a (then) poorly signed turn-off, easily missed in the dark. Being young and foolish, I offered to chaperone them, knowing that as the bus was already running late they'd be back out of Farnborough like a bat out of hell. To my surprise, and after a conflab, they accepted my offer, the arrangement being that the bell would be rung twice in close succession prior to the last stop before the turn-off, after which time the bus would slow down and look for the turn-off. It worked well, I think they were grateful, and certainly the one or two genuine passengers being carried should have been! Lovely story. I miss those times of quirky incidents and odd workings. So bland now. A postscript- I decided I'd better go back to Beckenham and walk from Southend Pond, the last 54 having departed. That 47 made it from Farnborough to SP in about twelve minutes! The second fastest scheduled London bus journey I've ever done.
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