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Post by MoEnviro on Feb 24, 2020 17:11:03 GMT
Lothian to trial closing bus stops to speed up journeys It seems although aim is to have bus stops around 400m apart (except where they serve specific important buildings), about 20% are only 200m apart so trialling closing some stops. Personally I think trying to speed up journeys is a good idea. Transport for West Midlands did something similar in 2017 and I believe it proved very successful ( link) Maybe TfL should consider this.... Sorry they are so far behind the curve, they may consult on it in a year or two.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 24, 2020 19:05:19 GMT
Lothian to trial closing bus stops to speed up journeys It seems although aim is to have bus stops around 400m apart (except where they serve specific important buildings), about 20% are only 200m apart so trialling closing some stops. Personally I think trying to speed up journeys is a good idea. Transport for West Midlands did something similar in 2017 and I believe it proved very successful ( link) Maybe TfL should consider this.... Sorry they are so far behind the curve, they may consult on it in a year or two. It simply wouldn’t work in London - I mean take busy corridors like the A23 where just about every stop is required. What works in Edinburgh & the West Midlands doesn’t necessarily mean it will work in London.
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Post by greenboy on Feb 24, 2020 20:12:36 GMT
Lothian to trial closing bus stops to speed up journeys It seems although aim is to have bus stops around 400m apart (except where they serve specific important buildings), about 20% are only 200m apart so trialling closing some stops. Personally I think trying to speed up journeys is a good idea. Transport for West Midlands did something similar in 2017 and I believe it proved very successful ( link) Maybe TfL should consider this.... Sorry they are so far behind the curve, they may consult on it in a year or two. Exactly and any time saved would be lost further down the road when the bus gets regulated, I can think of a few stops that are too close together but TfL don't seem interested in speeding up bus travel.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 25, 2020 18:11:06 GMT
Transport for West Midlands did something similar in 2017 and I believe it proved very successful ( link) Maybe TfL should consider this.... Sorry they are so far behind the curve, they may consult on it in a year or two. Exactly and any time saved would be lost further down the road when the bus gets regulated, I can think of a few stops that are too close together but TfL don't seem interested in speeding up bus travel. Also, regardless of how close the bus stops are, the same number of passengers will be getting on/off during the length of a journey so I doubt this would make a lot of difference.
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Post by greenboy on Feb 25, 2020 18:16:40 GMT
Exactly and any time saved would be lost further down the road when the bus gets regulated, I can think of a few stops that are too close together but TfL don't seem interested in speeding up bus travel. Also, regardless of how close the bus stops are, the same number of passengers will be getting on/off during the length of a journey so I doubt this would make a lot of difference. Well the operators mentioned clearly think it will make a difference so it's worth a try, at least they are trying to make bus travel more attractive unlike TfL.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 25, 2020 20:03:19 GMT
Also, regardless of how close the bus stops are, the same number of passengers will be getting on/off during the length of a journey so I doubt this would make a lot of difference. Well the operators mentioned clearly think it will make a difference so it's worth a try, at least they are trying to make bus travel more attractive unlike TfL. Still not seen any sort of clarification of how your going to pick which corridors and stops should be targeted given the variation in demand in London compared to other cities which has less demand and in more concentrated areas.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jul 23, 2020 17:35:47 GMT
I’m currently in Edinburgh and saw quite a lot of the new Enviro400XLB’s, they look absolutely fantastic! I do hope London orders some, as I’ve said before they would be ideal for a route like the X26 and X68.
I also took a ride on former Go-Ahead London WVL387 back to my hotel this afternoon and there’s barely any trace that it was once a London bus, it has been well refurbished! I think these and the ex 18 VW’s were done by Wrightbus themselves?
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Post by snowman on Jul 23, 2020 20:25:38 GMT
I’m currently in Edinburgh and saw quite a lot of the new Enviro400XLB’s, they look absolutely fantastic! I do hope London orders some, as I’ve said before they would be ideal for a route like the X26 and X68. I also took a ride on former Go-Ahead London WVL387 back to my hotel this afternoon and there’s barely any trace that it was once a London bus, it has been well refurbished! I think these and the ex 18 VW’s were done by Wrightbus themselves? I think Lothian have nearly 80 of the E400XLB (fleet numbers 1063-1140)
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 25, 2020 23:16:14 GMT
I’m currently in Edinburgh and saw quite a lot of the new Enviro400XLB’s, they look absolutely fantastic! I do hope London orders some, as I’ve said before they would be ideal for a route like the X26 and X68. I also took a ride on former Go-Ahead London WVL387 back to my hotel this afternoon and there’s barely any trace that it was once a London bus, it has been well refurbished! I think these and the ex 18 VW’s were done by Wrightbus themselves? I rode one of their Volvo B8L - Enviro 400 XLBs and an ex-Metroline VW with Lothian Buses last Easter. I understand the ex-GA examples had been on route 4 but there were some changes due to service reductions earlier this year. Coincidentally I did a similar Volvo B8L yesterday - well, Friday - with Stagecoach in Cambridge.
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Post by george on Aug 6, 2020 14:40:28 GMT
I’m currently in Edinburgh and saw quite a lot of the new Enviro400XLB’s, they look absolutely fantastic! I do hope London orders some, as I’ve said before they would be ideal for a route like the X26 and X68. I also took a ride on former Go-Ahead London WVL387 back to my hotel this afternoon and there’s barely any trace that it was once a London bus, it has been well refurbished! I think these and the ex 18 VW’s were done by Wrightbus themselves? I'm currently on one right now. I think they would work really well for roures such as the 18 and 207 in London. So many seats on board.
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Post by snowman on Sept 25, 2020 20:26:49 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 28, 2020 7:34:44 GMT
I’m currently in Edinburgh and saw quite a lot of the new Enviro400XLB’s, they look absolutely fantastic! I do hope London orders some, as I’ve said before they would be ideal for a route like the X26 and X68. I also took a ride on former Go-Ahead London WVL387 back to my hotel this afternoon and there’s barely any trace that it was once a London bus, it has been well refurbished! I think these and the ex 18 VW’s were done by Wrightbus themselves? I'm currently on one right now. I think they would work really well for roures such as the 18 and 207 in London. So many seats on board. What you have to be careful of is extending journey times, as you have more people getting on and off at each stop especially if you also reduce frequencies - you then have a recipe for driving custom away. That's why the bendybuses were so good for routes like this with their speedy open boarding and alighting through three doors. It's just a pity that fare evasion was so rife - although pass holders did not need to touch in or show proof of travel which led to perceptions that the problem was much worse than it actually was.
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Post by george on Sept 28, 2020 9:05:01 GMT
I'm currently on one right now. I think they would work really well for roures such as the 18 and 207 in London. So many seats on board. What you have to be careful of is extending journey times, as you have more people getting on and off at each stop especially if you also reduce frequencies - you then have a recipe for driving custom away. That's why the bendybuses were so good for routes like this with their speedy open boarding and alighting through three doors. It's just a pity that fare evasion was so rife - although pass holders did not need to touch in or show proof of travel which led to perceptions that the problem was much worse than it actually was. I don't believe customers will be driven away simply because car use in the areas that these buses serve is very low, I think it's very unlikely that someone will spend money on a car just because their bus journey is a little bit slower than it used to be. I also believe that these buses would work well on the 38 as I was in Angel on Saturday and what I saw was that some 38s are full but then the bus directly behind the one that is full has like two people on it. Anyway I'm not the expert here.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 28, 2020 12:08:34 GMT
I'm currently on one right now. I think they would work really well for roures such as the 18 and 207 in London. So many seats on board. What you have to be careful of is extending journey times, as you have more people getting on and off at each stop especially if you also reduce frequencies - you then have a recipe for driving custom away. That's why the bendybuses were so good for routes like this with their speedy open boarding and alighting through three doors. It's just a pity that fare evasion was so rife - although pass holders did not need to touch in or show proof of travel which led to perceptions that the problem was much worse than it actually was. What the bendybuses weren’t great at is the experience onboard - many people complained about the cattle truck like nature on board and to an extent, they’ve got a point especially on even average length routes. Personally, there place was on short, special routes like the 507 & 521, shuttles for events & limited stopping routes where passengers are not constantly boarding.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 28, 2020 12:20:28 GMT
What you have to be careful of is extending journey times, as you have more people getting on and off at each stop especially if you also reduce frequencies - you then have a recipe for driving custom away. That's why the bendybuses were so good for routes like this with their speedy open boarding and alighting through three doors. It's just a pity that fare evasion was so rife - although pass holders did not need to touch in or show proof of travel which led to perceptions that the problem was much worse than it actually was. What the bendybuses weren’t great at is the experience onboard - many people complained about the cattle truck like nature on board and to an extent, they’ve got a point especially on even average length routes. Personally, there place was on short, special routes like the 507 & 521, shuttles for events & limited stopping routes where passengers are not constantly boarding. I think they were also useful on routes where the majority of passengers travel short distances - the 253 and 254 come to mind. Also the W7 although I suspect the narrow roads in Crouch End and lack of suitable stand space at the terminals would have ruled them out.
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