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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 18, 2018 16:03:55 GMT
Very laughable. Some people are VERY clueless. If this MP really thinks that Khan would re-deploy loads of buses from zone 1 & 2 to Croydon with new routes, he has a another thing coming. Would be funny to see soon when Croydon routes face reductions and cuts. That axe Khan is carrying would leave no stone unturned!
Croydon could get lots more buses as TfL makes major changes to routes www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/croydon-could-lots-more-buses-1911312 |
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Post by danorak on Aug 18, 2018 16:26:18 GMT
Very laughable. Some people are VERY clueless. If this MP really thinks that Khan would re-deploy loads of buses from zone 1 & 2 to Croydon with new routes, he has a another thing coming. Would be funny to see soon when Croydon routes face reductions and cuts. That axe Khan is carrying would leave no stone unturned!
Croydon could get lots more buses as TfL makes major changes to routes www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/croydon-could-lots-more-buses-1911312 The MP mentions New Addington as somewhere needing more buses. He only needs to look at TfL's actions in the area in the last couple of years to realise that that is not going to happen. At the moment, protecting what you've got is about all you can hope for. |
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Post by sid on Aug 18, 2018 17:18:59 GMT
Very laughable. Some people are VERY clueless. If this MP really thinks that Khan would re-deploy loads of buses from zone 1 & 2 to Croydon with new routes, he has a another thing coming. Would be funny to see soon when Croydon routes face reductions and cuts. That axe Khan is carrying would leave no stone unturned!
Croydon could get lots more buses as TfL makes major changes to routes www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/croydon-could-lots-more-buses-1911312 This is pie in the sky, I said previously that somebody needs to take Sadiq Khan to task over the claim that buses saved would be put to use in outer London. It probably is true, just missed out the minor detail that they will be replacing older buses rather than offering any additional services. Clearly the Croydon Advertiser have put 2 and 2 together and made 5. New Addington is more likely to be losing buses than gaining them, there have been rumours about the 130 being axed with just partial replacement and does the 64 really it's current level of service off peak? Kenley and Sanderstead are hardly hotbeds of bus usage and the latter will suffer a reduction on the 412. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 18, 2018 18:36:54 GMT
Very laughable. Some people are VERY clueless. If this MP really thinks that Khan would re-deploy loads of buses from zone 1 & 2 to Croydon with new routes, he has a another thing coming. Would be funny to see soon when Croydon routes face reductions and cuts. That axe Khan is carrying would leave no stone unturned!
Croydon could get lots more buses as TfL makes major changes to routes www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/croydon-could-lots-more-buses-1911312 Oh well it is Steve O'Connell. What do we expect except a lot of old blather and false hopes from him. All Croydon is going to get is a streamlined and reduced bus service and possibly some tiny extensions to low frequency services in the Caterham area. Nothing revolutionary in terms of expansion is going to happen. I wonder if he even realises the fate that is about to befall the 412? |
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Post by redbus on Aug 18, 2018 18:38:36 GMT
Very laughable. Some people are VERY clueless. If this MP really thinks that Khan would re-deploy loads of buses from zone 1 & 2 to Croydon with new routes, he has a another thing coming. Would be funny to see soon when Croydon routes face reductions and cuts. That axe Khan is carrying would leave no stone unturned!
Croydon could get lots more buses as TfL makes major changes to routes www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/croydon-could-lots-more-buses-1911312 This is pie in the sky, I said previously that somebody needs to take Sadiq Khan to task over the claim that buses saved would be put to use in outer London. It probably is true, just missed out the minor detail that they will be replacing older buses rather than offering any additional services. Clearly the Croydon Advertiser have put 2 and 2 together and made 5. New Addington is more likely to be losing buses than gaining them, there have been rumours about the 130 being axed with just partial replacement and does the 64 really it's current level of service off peak? Kenley and Sanderstead are hardly hotbeds of bus usage and the latter will suffer a reduction on the 412. I don't blame the paper at all. It is the Assembly Member who is touting the idea of more buses in Croydon and fewer in town, and so repeating what the Mayor as said. Let's see the reaction when TfL swing the axe in Croydon. Also interesting will be Barnet. I remember Mr Dismore saying much the same, let's see his reaction when the Edgware Road consultation comes along!
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Post by sid on Aug 18, 2018 19:35:50 GMT
This is pie in the sky, I said previously that somebody needs to take Sadiq Khan to task over the claim that buses saved would be put to use in outer London. It probably is true, just missed out the minor detail that they will be replacing older buses rather than offering any additional services. Clearly the Croydon Advertiser have put 2 and 2 together and made 5. New Addington is more likely to be losing buses than gaining them, there have been rumours about the 130 being axed with just partial replacement and does the 64 really it's current level of service off peak? Kenley and Sanderstead are hardly hotbeds of bus usage and the latter will suffer a reduction on the 412. I don't blame the paper at all. It is the Assembly Member who is touting the idea of more buses in Croydon and fewer in town, and so repeating what the Mayor as said. Let's see the reaction when TfL swing the axe in Croydon. Also interesting will be Barnet. I remember Mr Dismore saying much the same, let's see his reaction when the Edgware Road consultation comes along!
I think the paper has got completely the wrong end of the stick although the mayor shouldn't be making such misleading statements. I think the 166 and 289 need a slight increase and possibly the 410 and a few routes in Croydon deserve a better Sunday frequency but that's about it, there is also some scope for reductions on a few other routes. I'd be interested to know where Steve O'Connell thinks more buses are desperately needed. |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 18, 2018 20:45:24 GMT
Croydon could get a lot more buses and I could win the National Lottery tonight. Actually I have more chance, and I didn't even buy a ticket.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 18, 2018 21:13:52 GMT
Very laughable. Some people are VERY clueless. If this MP really thinks that Khan would re-deploy loads of buses from zone 1 & 2 to Croydon with new routes, he has a another thing coming. Would be funny to see soon when Croydon routes face reductions and cuts. That axe Khan is carrying would leave no stone unturned!
Croydon could get lots more buses as TfL makes major changes to routes www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/croydon-could-lots-more-buses-1911312 What a numpty - clearly he doesn’t know that so far, the 119, 255, 264, 353, 410 & 433 were cut whilst the 412 has an upcoming cut. The 166 was close to receiving a cut but has survived and I’m in no doubt more cuts for Croydon will be planned. Maybe he saw the 404 & 434 proposed extensions plus the 109 receiving an extra bus recently and thought all his Christmas’s had come at once! |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 19, 2018 10:25:49 GMT
Very laughable. Some people are VERY clueless. If this MP really thinks that Khan would re-deploy loads of buses from zone 1 & 2 to Croydon with new routes, he has a another thing coming. Would be funny to see soon when Croydon routes face reductions and cuts. That axe Khan is carrying would leave no stone unturned!
Croydon could get lots more buses as TfL makes major changes to routes www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/croydon-could-lots-more-buses-1911312 This is pie in the sky, I said previously that somebody needs to take Sadiq Khan to task over the claim that buses saved would be put to use in outer London. It probably is true, just missed out the minor detail that they will be replacing older buses rather than offering any additional services. He very briefly mentions buses will be redeployed to the outer London areas but where then are the relevant consultations?  youtu.be/pRkeuuF4GFc |
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Post by sid on Aug 19, 2018 10:55:19 GMT
This is pie in the sky, I said previously that somebody needs to take Sadiq Khan to task over the claim that buses saved would be put to use in outer London. It probably is true, just missed out the minor detail that they will be replacing older buses rather than offering any additional services. He very briefly mentions buses will be redeployed to the outer London areas but where then are the relevant consultations? youtu.be/pRkeuuF4GFcI suspect a lot of buses will move from central to outer London but they'll just be replacing existing older buses. |
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Post by snowman on Aug 19, 2018 12:13:37 GMT
He very briefly mentions buses will be redeployed to the outer London areas but where then are the relevant consultations? youtu.be/pRkeuuF4GFcI suspect a lot of buses will move from central to outer London but they'll just be replacing existing older buses. Would slightly qualify that, I suspect the giant housing schemes (1000+ homes) will lead to small local increases, probably will be 30-40 PVR increase across London. Of course as total is budgeted to fall 7% some routes are going to see mum h bigger cuts. |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 19, 2018 14:06:16 GMT
I suspect a lot of buses will move from central to outer London but they'll just be replacing existing older buses. Would slightly qualify that, I suspect the giant housing schemes (1000+ homes) will lead to small local increases, probably will be 30-40 PVR increase across London. Of course as total is budgeted to fall 7% some routes are going to see mum h bigger cuts. Breaking the habits of a lifetime, I'm going to be a bit cynical here.  If an outer suburban route got a running time increase, in order to maintain headways increased PVR might be required, so the public will see no benefit, but Citizen Khan can truthfully (sort of) say that resources have been redeployed to the area concerned. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 19, 2018 15:14:13 GMT
This is pie in the sky, I said previously that somebody needs to take Sadiq Khan to task over the claim that buses saved would be put to use in outer London. It probably is true, just missed out the minor detail that they will be replacing older buses rather than offering any additional services. He very briefly mentions buses will be redeployed to the outer London areas but where then are the relevant consultations? youtu.be/pRkeuuF4GFc Nice that the clip has been preserved and put on Youtube. I searched the various TV "player" facilities and none had kept it - seems ITV do not save regional news programmes. The basic point is that the Mayor is not really telling the whole truth. The leaked presentation says quite clearly that Inner London loses 9% of mileage (but no actual quantum is given) while Outer London gets an uplift of 4.5m kms over 2 years. Now that is deliberate obfuscation because it is pretty unlikely that 9% of Inner London mileage is as small as 4.5m kms so there is no way that *all* the buses lost from Central/Inner London are going to Outer London routes. Simply not going to happen. In reality what TfL is saying, if we take the business plan numbers, is that they are cutting 15m kms in each of 2017/18 and 2018/19 and 7m KMs in 2019/20 but then adding 2.25m KMs in two unspecified years (possibly after 2022! when the business plan does show an uplift of, hey presto, 4m kms!). So in other words this is a load of obfuscated cobblers from the Mayor. Does he really think that no one can read the numbers and suss out what is going on? |
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Post by redbus on Aug 19, 2018 18:10:38 GMT
He very briefly mentions buses will be redeployed to the outer London areas but where then are the relevant consultations? youtu.be/pRkeuuF4GFc Nice that the clip has been preserved and put on Youtube. I searched the various TV "player" facilities and none had kept it - seems ITV do not save regional news programmes. The basic point is that the Mayor is not really telling the whole truth. The leaked presentation says quite clearly that Inner London loses 9% of mileage (but no actual quantum is given) while Outer London gets an uplift of 4.5m kms over 2 years. Now that is deliberate obfuscation because it is pretty unlikely that 9% of Inner London mileage is as small as 4.5m kms so there is no way that *all* the buses lost from Central/Inner London are going to Outer London routes. Simply not going to happen. In reality what TfL is saying, if we take the business plan numbers, is that they are cutting 15m kms in each of 2017/18 and 2018/19 and 7m KMs in 2019/20 but then adding 2.25m KMs in two unspecified years (possibly after 2022! when the business plan does show an uplift of, hey presto, 4m kms!). So in other words this is a load of obfuscated cobblers from the Mayor. Does he really think that no one can read the numbers and suss out what is going on? It is actually far worse than this. The Mayors bus plan states there will be a 7% cut across the whole network. If inner London is being cut by 9%, that will be nowhere near enough for the overall 7% cut, so there must be cuts in outer London simply to achieve the overall 7% cuts target. I really don't see how outer London can get the extra buses promised by the Mayor whilst his plan for an overall 7% cut remains in place. These two objectives are simply incompatible.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 19, 2018 18:37:54 GMT
It is actually far worse than this. The Mayors bus plan states there will be a 7% cut across the whole network. If inner London is being cut by 9%, that will be nowhere near enough for the overall 7% cut, so there must be cuts in outer London simply to achieve the overall 7% cuts target. I really don't see how outer London can get the extra buses promised by the Mayor whilst his plan for an overall 7% cut remains in place. These two objectives are simply incompatible.
It can be done but only by doing the two things several years apart. You slash the network to bits by 2020 to save money. As you say that has to include Outer London and that is clearly referenced in the presentation (simplification / removing buses from town centres). In the vain hope finances improve you then add 4m kms in 2022. That is what the business plan shows. No one in TfL nor the Mayor have set any timescales to these changes or declared the full picture. If they did that would really "frighten the horses". I am very tempted to write a set of detailed and pointed questions and send them to the Transport Committee prior to their meeting with Gareth Powell in early September. I rather suspect he will leave all the detail to Geoff Hobbs who seems to be fronting all the difficult questions and therefore lined up as the "bogey man". |
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If an outer suburban route got a running time increase, in order to maintain headways increased PVR might be required, so the public will see no benefit, but Citizen Khan can truthfully (sort of) say that resources have been redeployed to the area concerned.