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Post by redbus on Aug 19, 2018 19:18:43 GMT
It is actually far worse than this. The Mayors bus plan states there will be a 7% cut across the whole network. If inner London is being cut by 9%, that will be nowhere near enough for the overall 7% cut, so there must be cuts in outer London simply to achieve the overall 7% cuts target. I really don't see how outer London can get the extra buses promised by the Mayor whilst his plan for an overall 7% cut remains in place. These two objectives are simply incompatible.
It can be done but only by doing the two things several years apart. You slash the network to bits by 2020 to save money. As you say that has to include Outer London and that is clearly referenced in the presentation (simplification / removing buses from town centres). In the vain hope finances improve you then add 4m kms in 2022. That is what the business plan shows. No one in TfL nor the Mayor have set any timescales to these changes or declared the full picture. If they did that would really "frighten the horses". I am very tempted to write a set of detailed and pointed questions and send them to the Transport Committee prior to their meeting with Gareth Powell in early September. I rather suspect he will leave all the detail to Geoff Hobbs who seems to be fronting all the difficult questions and therefore lined up as the "bogey man". I can't see that working. Whilst no timetable has been set, the implicit expectation is that as central London services are cut, outer London services are increased accordingly. If this doesn't happen he might be tripping up on another of those 'banana skins'. Worse there's a Mayoral election at the worst possible time in 2020, after the cuts, but before any outer London expansion.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 19, 2018 23:25:11 GMT
I can't see that working. Whilst no timetable has been set, the implicit expectation is that as central London services are cut, outer London services are increased accordingly. If this doesn't happen he might be tripping up on another of those 'banana skins'. Worse there's a Mayoral election at the worst possible time in 2020, after the cuts, but before any outer London expansion. Oh I agree with most of that. I am just interpreting the numbers that are publicly available and it is perfectly possible they've been changed within TfL. I think it is more than telling that no timescales at all have been placed on the "positive" commitments. I would just add that one of the major things that TfL have had to do to cope with the financial mess over the next 2-3 years is postpone all major new expenditure to at least 2020 and more often 2021 or 2022. This applies to most Tube investment and a lot of Surface schemes. What's left is for committed contracts that can't be pulled back [1] or fig leaves to show that "something" is being done on the Mayor's pet projects [2]. The whole bus cuts / outer London improvements thing fits that pattern too. [1] Crossrail, SSR resignalling, couple of bridge replacement schemes on the highway network (A406 / A12) [2] cycle lanes, air quality mods, "poncy pavements" in town centres.
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Post by danorak on Aug 21, 2018 11:47:17 GMT
Very laughable. Some people are VERY clueless. If this MP really thinks that Khan would re-deploy loads of buses from zone 1 & 2 to Croydon with new routes, he has a another thing coming. Would be funny to see soon when Croydon routes face reductions and cuts. That axe Khan is carrying would leave no stone unturned!
Croydon could get lots more buses as TfL makes major changes to routes www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/croydon-could-lots-more-buses-1911312 So with the 75 about to be cut back to west Croydon, how's that looking?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 22, 2018 18:35:41 GMT
Very laughable. Some people are VERY clueless. If this MP really thinks that Khan would re-deploy loads of buses from zone 1 & 2 to Croydon with new routes, he has a another thing coming. Would be funny to see soon when Croydon routes face reductions and cuts. That axe Khan is carrying would leave no stone unturned!
Croydon could get lots more buses as TfL makes major changes to routes www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-news/croydon-could-lots-more-buses-1911312 So with the 75 about to be cut back to west Croydon, how's that looking? bahaha, same thing I was wondering, think we need to email that councillor to let him know the good, I mean bad news...
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Post by busaholic on Aug 22, 2018 22:26:10 GMT
So with the 75 about to be cut back to west Croydon, how's that looking? bahaha, same thing I was wondering, think we need to email that councillor to let him know the good, I mean bad news... It doesn't run in a part of the borough that will interest him: it'll just bring the riff-raff in from Lewisham borough.
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Post by redbus on Sept 7, 2018 19:24:40 GMT
Listening to the Heidi Alexander interview on LBC, she did say specifically mention Croydon (and Barnet) as places which will be getting more buses. I suspect TfL will first be cutting bus services in these places in the next year or two, so will any increase mean the service is better than today or just less bad than it will be after the cuts which I think are coming. Let's see...hopefully I will be wrong and these places will suffer no cuts, just the promised increases.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 7, 2018 20:02:47 GMT
Listening to the Heidi Alexander interview on LBC, she did say specifically mention Croydon (and Barnet) as places which will be getting more buses. I suspect TfL will first be cutting bus services in these places in the next year or two, so will any increase mean the service is better than today or just less bad than it will be after the cuts which I think are coming. Let's see...hopefully I will be wrong and these places will suffer no cuts, just the promised increases. "next year or two" - after the Mayoral election then? More like 2-3 years if we believe the budgeted numbers. Does she think no one ever reads TfL's official documents? Sheeesh. I'd also like to know what "getting more buses" actually means. It's a phrase that can mean anything without some constraining context. More buses at 7am on a weekday?, 1 extra school bus?, more buses on some routes but the removal of other routes in the entirety?, 2 more buses running on a Sunday afternoon? More pointless drivel from a politician and no doubt unfocussed, sloppy questioning from Mr Ferrari.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 7, 2018 20:59:38 GMT
Listening to the Heidi Alexander interview on LBC, she did say specifically mention Croydon (and Barnet) as places which will be getting more buses. I suspect TfL will first be cutting bus services in these places in the next year or two, so will any increase mean the service is better than today or just less bad than it will be after the cuts which I think are coming. Let's see...hopefully I will be wrong and these places will suffer no cuts, just the promised increases. Do you mean more cuts? Croydon has seen a number of cuts already.
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Post by redbus on Sept 7, 2018 21:47:06 GMT
Listening to the Heidi Alexander interview on LBC, she did say specifically mention Croydon (and Barnet) as places which will be getting more buses. I suspect TfL will first be cutting bus services in these places in the next year or two, so will any increase mean the service is better than today or just less bad than it will be after the cuts which I think are coming. Let's see...hopefully I will be wrong and these places will suffer no cuts, just the promised increases. Do you mean more cuts? Croydon has seen a number of cuts already. err sadly, yes more cuts
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Post by sid on Sept 8, 2018 8:51:58 GMT
Do you mean more cuts? Croydon has seen a number of cuts already. err sadly, yes more cuts In line with a decline in usage? There may be some bus improvements when the new Westfield centre opens but as far as I'm aware work isn't due to commence for another year?
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