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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 14, 2019 16:18:52 GMT
I'm surprised TFL didn't play it safe like with the 8 and introduce 4 with the flow peak hour shorts to help at the start especially since the 55 has a slightly reduced frequency with the old Street works.
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Post by busaholic on Oct 14, 2019 16:24:08 GMT
I think there are a few (less than a dozen) numbers in the 3""/4"" series that were so important in London bus history that their re-use should be avoided in the general scheme of things. Some of these (370,405,406) are now TfL routes, of course. The 480 could well lay claim to be Country Buses/London Country's premier route, and I think it should only see use in the Dartford/Gravesend area. It didn’t stop Kentish bus removing the number in favour of 10, then 3 in the 1980s before public demand reinstated 480. I don’t think a 480 in Sutton/Banstead would have any effect on/cause confusion with the well established 480 in Dartford. Unless, of course, the Kentish 480 became part of the London bus network, suitably tweaked. Nowhere currently on the borders with Greater London is more likely to fall into Greater London than Dartford, with transport fares and links being a primary cause of defection.
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Post by rj131 on Oct 14, 2019 18:14:08 GMT
Some comments from the general public regarding the 48 change: Today was an especially bad day to introduce the 48/55 changes, with the protests by extinction rebellion some fanatic criminals that ruined the 55 service making it even more difficult to use the service. I can imagine it was carnage this morning as predicted. I feel for those poor people caught up in it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 19:27:45 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 14, 2019 20:56:18 GMT
That's true but it was very rare until last year especially in central London. Ironically its probably the 55 passengers that normally board in Lea Bridge Road who will suffer the most as the bus from Walthamstow will already be busy before it reaches the first old 55 stops. And to think a simple solution would have been to insert some garage extras in the 55's schedule. These tend to be frowned upon, years ago this used to happen. But with the standardised end to end of almost all routes; its a matter of punish the majority for the minority.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 14, 2019 21:11:39 GMT
Some comments from the general public regarding the 48 change: A bit strange how both of them said they had to walk 45 mins or 1 hour after waiting 30 mins. I wonder if the same person posted twice under two different alias. In some ways I do not even feel sorry for them. They are the type that would go and re-vote Khan again, saying they support Labour like its a football team. These are the type of people that would gladly go on to shout out about Boris when he was Mayor, but keep their mouth shut at Khan, until it hits them on a situation like this. At least other boroughs made a big noise in the west over various bus cuts that TfL proposed under Boris and Khan, some got a change of mind. There wasn't even a sensible campaign whatsoever about the 48.
I did take a look at Lea Bridge Rd mid-day today, however this time of the day as usual most buses are not full, so the 55/56 was coping. Although I can only imagine the peaks as it was always very busy along this corridor and now people would be forced to go in the opposite direction to Walthamstow to get on even more packed Victoria/London Overground lines.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 14, 2019 21:19:48 GMT
What an idiot he is, how is it illegal? There was nothing illegal what TfL did. Yes I understand his frustration, but illegal? seriously???
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 14, 2019 21:52:41 GMT
What an idiot he is, how is it illegal? There was nothing illegal what TfL did. Yes I understand his frustration, but illegal? seriously??? I think they meant that the 55's were illegaly overloaded?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 14, 2019 22:20:07 GMT
What an idiot he is, how is it illegal? There was nothing illegal what TfL did. Yes I understand his frustration, but illegal? seriously??? I think they meant that the 55's were illegaly overloaded? Yes but he implied they illegally overloaded the 55, they did not. If he did see a 55 illegally overloaded, then that is the responsibility of the driver. Plain and simple don't move the bus until people get off, another bus comes, or emergency services/TfL comes to deal with it. If the driver has a serious accident, he would be liable in the docks at court.
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Post by busaholic on Oct 14, 2019 22:40:50 GMT
And to think a simple solution would have been to insert some garage extras in the 55's schedule. These tend to be frowned upon, years ago this used to happen. But with the standardised end to end of almost all routes; its a matter of punish the majority for the minority. Instead of sending so many dead buses from T up to Walthamstow Central during the early part of the morning peak run-out, get some (but not all) of them starting at Baker's Arms westbound instead: how come the 48 had many fewer departures from WC during this time period? A half decent scheduler could do that in their sleep!
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 15, 2019 6:25:51 GMT
Seen a few angry tweets about being left behind due to overcrowding on the 55! Get the feeling the 55 will need a increase sooner rather than later. The protests at Bank won't have helped, displaced traffic was snarling up the Old Street area.
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 15, 2019 7:09:21 GMT
It didn’t stop Kentish bus removing the number in favour of 10, then 3 in the 1980s before public demand reinstated 480. I don’t think a 480 in Sutton/Banstead would have any effect on/cause confusion with the well established 480 in Dartford. Unless, of course, the Kentish 480 became part of the London bus network, suitably tweaked. Nowhere currently on the borders with Greater London is more likely to fall into Greater London than Dartford, with transport fares and links being a primary cause of defection. I live close to Dartford : it would have to go to a vote I’d have thought, and the locals would I think bitterly resist going into London. Best chance of a borough being transferred to London control I’d have said was Spelthorne.
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Post by cl54 on Oct 15, 2019 10:11:24 GMT
Some comments from the general public regarding the 48 change: Today was an especially bad day to introduce the 48/55 changes, with the protests by extinction rebellion some fanatic criminals that ruined the 55 service making it even more difficult to use the service. I can imagine it was carnage this morning as predicted. I feel for those poor people caught up in it. There can't be many places along the route that are 45 minutes walk from a station.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 15, 2019 10:18:35 GMT
Unless, of course, the Kentish 480 became part of the London bus network, suitably tweaked. Nowhere currently on the borders with Greater London is more likely to fall into Greater London than Dartford, with transport fares and links being a primary cause of defection. I live close to Dartford : it would have to go to a vote I’d have thought, and the locals would I think bitterly resist going into London. Best chance of a borough being transferred to London control I’d have said was Spelthorne. They'd rather spite their own nose than receive the benefits a London borough gets - I think they should be very careful with that stance personally especially when Havering residents overwhelmingly wanted to remain in London when certain people wanted to break off into Essex a couple of years ago.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 15, 2019 12:26:40 GMT
Most of London enjoys bus services 7 days a week even if just a standardised 30 min service as opposed to erratic, no weekend or evening services with higher fares seen just across alot of the borders like in Surrey.
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