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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 30, 2019 13:15:05 GMT
I'd be amazed with Holborn and Aldwych being remodeled if there aren't anymore. I think the 6 or 9 are likely to be cut to TS.
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Post by rif153 on Nov 30, 2019 14:11:16 GMT
I'd be amazed with Holborn and Aldwych being remodeled if there aren't anymore. I think the 6 or 9 are likely to be cut to TS. I think the 6's future in its current form has been looking ominous for a whole. The route is a shadow of its former self; its patronage has slid off a cliff edge since the ridiculous rerouting. I think the the 6 should be cutback to Trafalgar Square at the very least, and have a frequency cut to reduce the number of empty buses on that route. The 9 is well used on the Strand and shouldn't be cutback.
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Post by rmz19 on Nov 30, 2019 15:20:56 GMT
I'd be amazed with Holborn and Aldwych being remodeled if there aren't anymore. I think the 6 or 9 are likely to be cut to TS. I think the 6's future in its current form has been looking ominous for a whole. The route is a shadow of its former self; its patronage has slid off a cliff edge since the ridiculous rerouting. I think the the 6 should be cutback to Trafalgar Square at the very least, and have a frequency cut to reduce the number of empty buses on that route. The 9 is well used on the Strand and shouldn't be cutback. Regarding the 6, I'm a regular user of the route as it's one of my local routes. I was against the 6 being rerouted via Piccadilly, however over the time since this change it has proved popular and is often busy along that section, especially in the peaks. Empty buses on the route are only seen during the quiter times, as should be expected. The 414 is the route that provides excess capacity between HPC and Maida Hill so it should be rerouted elsewhere, the 6 can cope alone along the common section. The 6 certainly does not need a frequency decrease as it's a busy route. If anything, I would extend the it to Blackfriars to provide new links to and from the station. I would also extend the 9 to London Bridge to provide new links between London Bridge and the West End.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 30, 2019 15:28:02 GMT
What with the 414 parelleing the 6 aswell from Warwick Ave to Hyde Park Corner not helping, but I really think the loss of patronage is due to not serving Oxford Circus.
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Post by rif153 on Nov 30, 2019 17:35:44 GMT
What with the 414 parelleing the 6 aswell from Warwick Ave to Hyde Park Corner not helping, but I really think the loss of patronage is due to not serving Oxford Circus. The idea that both the 6 and 414 are needed is mendacious, something should be done to reduce overbussing.
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 30, 2019 17:52:37 GMT
What with the 414 parelleing the 6 aswell from Warwick Ave to Hyde Park Corner not helping, but I really think the loss of patronage is due to not serving Oxford Circus. The idea that both the 6 and 414 are needed is mendacious, something should be done to reduce overbussing. How times have changed. The 414 was originally rerouted from Maida Vale to Maida Hill because the 6 needed assistance.
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Post by kenmet on Nov 30, 2019 17:59:47 GMT
What with the 414 parelleing the 6 aswell from Warwick Ave to Hyde Park Corner not helping, but I really think the loss of patronage is due to not serving Oxford Circus. The idea that both the 6 and 414 are needed is mendacious, something should be done to reduce overbussing. Yes and I did suggest previously that the 414 would be better rerouted to Paddington but if there is another round of cuts one of these routes could quite conceivably go the same way as the 48. If the 6 is axed the 414 extended to Kensal Rise although there may be stand space problems.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 30, 2019 18:08:44 GMT
The idea that both the 6 and 414 are needed is mendacious, something should be done to reduce overbussing. Yes and I did suggest previously that the 414 would be better rerouted to Paddington but if there is another round of cuts one of these routes could quite conceivably go the same way as the 48. If the 6 is axed the 414 extended to Kensal Rise although there may be stand space problems. The subject came up recently about whether Paddington Basin should be reconnected with the London bus network. So, maybe route 414 could be diverted to Paddington Basin?
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Post by rif153 on Nov 30, 2019 18:39:40 GMT
I think the 6's future in its current form has been looking ominous for a whole. The route is a shadow of its former self; its patronage has slid off a cliff edge since the ridiculous rerouting. I think the the 6 should be cutback to Trafalgar Square at the very least, and have a frequency cut to reduce the number of empty buses on that route. The 9 is well used on the Strand and shouldn't be cutback. Regarding the 6, I'm a regular user of the route as it's one of my local routes. I was against the 6 being rerouted via Piccadilly, however over the time since this change it has proved popular and is often busy along that section, especially in the peaks. Empty buses on the route are only seen during the quiter times, as should be expected. The 414 is the route that provides excess capacity between HPC and Maida Hill so it should be rerouted elsewhere, the 6 can cope alone along the common section. The 6 certainly does not need a frequency decrease as it's a busy route. If anything, I would extend the it to Blackfriars to provide new links to and from the station. I would also extend the 9 to London Bridge to provide new links between London Bridge and the West End. The Strand. Its a permanent standstill. Its an overbused corridor. It has eight bus routes. The 6 is in my experienced the most lightly used of those routes. I see no need for the 6 to continue to Aldwych anymore. It is now paralleld by the 9 between HPC and Aldwych, however there is a stark dichotomy in the loadings each routes carries. I don't think Blackfriars is a good place to terminate any bus route. Its been five and a half months since the 4 was altered to terminate at Blackfriars. I don't think anyone is going to suggest that the change has been a success. I don't think there's enough at Blackfriars for it to serve as a thriving bus terminus. The loadings at Blackfriars on the 4 are utterly abysmal. I do like your idea of creating a West End-London Bridge bus route. To me as a West Londoner it would be great, I get the bus to places such as Trafalgar Square, or Oxford Circus when I'm not in a rush as I often use the 9 and 94 as well as using routes like the 27 and 211 less frequently, I even use the 18 sometimes. However, even though the 9 is a relatively short route, I don't think an extension to London Bridge would do it any favours. The 9 has to battle with so much congestion, more so since the rerouting. The route is awash with turns during the peaks often at Royal Albert Hall, Holland Road, Piccadilly Circus, Green Park, and Trafalgar Square. RATP are trying but the route is inoperable. I think a better way to go about connecting the West End and London Bridge would be a route from Oxford Circus to London Bridge. It creates new links, can relieve the struggling 139, and help to revive the former RV1 replicating it in parts but amending it. What routings do you propose for the 6 and 9?
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Post by rif153 on Nov 30, 2019 18:44:09 GMT
Yes and I did suggest previously that the 414 would be better rerouted to Paddington but if there is another round of cuts one of these routes could quite conceivably go the same way as the 48. If the 6 is axed the 414 extended to Kensal Rise although there may be stand space problems. The subject came up recently about whether Paddington Basin should be reconnected with the London bus network. So, maybe route 414 could be diverted to Paddington Basin? I think there's scope for reconnecting Paddington Basin to the bus network. Another possibilty could be to extend the 137 to Paddington Basin with the 414 cutback to Marble Arch. This reduces any duplication between the 6 and 414 as well as creating new links to Paddington. The 414 is a nice idea too but a lot of the links it offers are provided by the district line, the same cannot be said for the 137. I know LTs can't do the turn from Edgware Road to Sussex Gardens but the allocation can be swapped as was done with the 87/88.
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Post by busaholic on Nov 30, 2019 21:46:58 GMT
Regarding the 6, I'm a regular user of the route as it's one of my local routes. I was against the 6 being rerouted via Piccadilly, however over the time since this change it has proved popular and is often busy along that section, especially in the peaks. Empty buses on the route are only seen during the quiter times, as should be expected. The 414 is the route that provides excess capacity between HPC and Maida Hill so it should be rerouted elsewhere, the 6 can cope alone along the common section. The 6 certainly does not need a frequency decrease as it's a busy route. If anything, I would extend the it to Blackfriars to provide new links to and from the station. I would also extend the 9 to London Bridge to provide new links between London Bridge and the West End. The Strand. Its a permanent standstill. Its an overbused corridor. It has eight bus routes. The 6 is in my experienced the most lightly used of those routes. I see no need for the 6 to continue to Aldwych anymore. It is now paralleld by the 9 between HPC and Aldwych, however there is a stark dichotomy in the loadings each routes carries. I don't think Blackfriars is a good place to terminate any bus route. Its been five and a half months since the 4 was altered to terminate at Blackfriars. I don't think anyone is going to suggest that the change has been a success. I don't think there's enough at Blackfriars for it to serve as a thriving bus terminus. The loadings at Blackfriars on the 4 are utterly abysmal. I do like your idea of creating a West End-London Bridge bus route. To me as a West Londoner it would be great, I get the bus to places such as Trafalgar Square, or Oxford Circus when I'm not in a rush as I often use the 9 and 94 as well as using routes like the 27 and 211 less frequently, I even use the 18 sometimes. However, even though the 9 is a relatively short route, I don't think an extension to London Bridge would do it any favours. The 9 has to battle with so much congestion, more so since the rerouting. The route is awash with turns during the peaks often at Royal Albert Hall, Holland Road, Piccadilly Circus, Green Park, and Trafalgar Square. RATP are trying but the route is inoperable. I think a better way to go about connecting the West End and London Bridge would be a route from Oxford Circus to London Bridge. It creates new links, can relieve the struggling 139, and help to revive the former RV1 replicating it in parts but amending it. What routings do you propose for the 6 and 9? A lot of people on here are aware the 13 used to run to London Bridge, even if they're not old enough to remember it, but fewer probably realise the 7 used to run to LB too, via Holborn and Eastcheap. In fact, when I first knew it it was the 7A, the 7 to Liverpool Street having been withdrawn just previously. London Bridge at the time was a great place for suffix routes, with the 8A and my favourite the 18B.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 30, 2019 22:12:59 GMT
The subject came up recently about whether Paddington Basin should be reconnected with the London bus network. So, maybe route 414 could be diverted to Paddington Basin? I think there's scope for reconnecting Paddington Basin to the bus network. Another possibilty could be to extend the 137 to Paddington Basin with the 414 cutback to Marble Arch. This reduces any duplication between the 6 and 414 as well as creating new links to Paddington. The 414 is a nice idea too but a lot of the links it offers are provided by the district line, the same cannot be said for the 137. I know LTs can't do the turn from Edgware Road to Sussex Gardens but the allocation can be swapped as was done with the 87/88. Actually yes, route 414 would link Paddington with South Kensington and Putney Bridge, as do the Underground. So route 137 would provide new links such as Paddington to Battersea Park. Mind you, route 436 could have provided that link had it been diverted to Battersea Park from the north instead of the south.
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Post by redbus on Nov 30, 2019 22:52:28 GMT
The Strand. Its a permanent standstill. Its an overbused corridor. It has eight bus routes. The 6 is in my experienced the most lightly used of those routes. I see no need for the 6 to continue to Aldwych anymore. It is now paralleld by the 9 between HPC and Aldwych, however there is a stark dichotomy in the loadings each routes carries. I don't think Blackfriars is a good place to terminate any bus route. Its been five and a half months since the 4 was altered to terminate at Blackfriars. I don't think anyone is going to suggest that the change has been a success. I don't think there's enough at Blackfriars for it to serve as a thriving bus terminus. The loadings at Blackfriars on the 4 are utterly abysmal. I do like your idea of creating a West End-London Bridge bus route. To me as a West Londoner it would be great, I get the bus to places such as Trafalgar Square, or Oxford Circus when I'm not in a rush as I often use the 9 and 94 as well as using routes like the 27 and 211 less frequently, I even use the 18 sometimes. However, even though the 9 is a relatively short route, I don't think an extension to London Bridge would do it any favours. The 9 has to battle with so much congestion, more so since the rerouting. The route is awash with turns during the peaks often at Royal Albert Hall, Holland Road, Piccadilly Circus, Green Park, and Trafalgar Square. RATP are trying but the route is inoperable. I think a better way to go about connecting the West End and London Bridge would be a route from Oxford Circus to London Bridge. It creates new links, can relieve the struggling 139, and help to revive the former RV1 replicating it in parts but amending it. What routings do you propose for the 6 and 9? A lot of people on here are aware the 13 used to run to London Bridge, even if they're not old enough to remember it, but fewer probably realise the 7 used to run to LB too, via Holborn and Eastcheap. In fact, when I first knew it it was the 7A, the 7 to Liverpool Street having been withdrawn just previously. London Bridge at the time was a great place for suffix routes, with the 8A and my favourite the 18B. Ha! You beat me to it, listing the routes that used to do this
There's much to be said for restoring such a bus link, but only if buses are given suitable priority to do the journey in a sensible amount of time. As that is unlikely and there's no money for such a link, and I suspect TfL think there's no demand (after all passengers can us either tube, walk or cycle ), it won't happen.
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Post by rmz19 on Dec 1, 2019 0:03:50 GMT
Regarding the 6, I'm a regular user of the route as it's one of my local routes. I was against the 6 being rerouted via Piccadilly, however over the time since this change it has proved popular and is often busy along that section, especially in the peaks. Empty buses on the route are only seen during the quiter times, as should be expected. The 414 is the route that provides excess capacity between HPC and Maida Hill so it should be rerouted elsewhere, the 6 can cope alone along the common section. The 6 certainly does not need a frequency decrease as it's a busy route. If anything, I would extend the it to Blackfriars to provide new links to and from the station. I would also extend the 9 to London Bridge to provide new links between London Bridge and the West End. The Strand. Its a permanent standstill. Its an overbused corridor. It has eight bus routes. The 6 is in my experienced the most lightly used of those routes. I see no need for the 6 to continue to Aldwych anymore. It is now paralleld by the 9 between HPC and Aldwych, however there is a stark dichotomy in the loadings each routes carries. The 6 should remain terminating at Aldwych as it's still a popular link to and from there, it also provides an alternative routing to the 139 towards the Marble Arch area so it's a useful assistance. Your comment regarding the 6 being 'the most lightly used' of the routes along the Strand isn't logical as it terminates at the eastern end of the corridor therefore it will naturally be less busy than the the through routes along there, the same can be said about the 87 too. My idea of extending the 6 to Blackfriars might be a radical one, but the 6 would provide a means of linking the station with the West End, this might prove popular just like its recent diversion via Piccadilly has. The 4 isn't a sensible comparison in this regard as there is relatively less demand amongst the public between Blackfriars station and the areas the 4 traverses through. Whereas the public would find a Blackfriars and West End connection more popular and attractive, especially commuters during the peaks. As mentioned previously, any 'lost patronage' since its diversion away from Oxford Circus has been partially regained because of its increasing popularity along Piccadilly. Regarding the 9, its current max running time is 56 mins. It does contend with congestion at times, but certainly not to the extent of it suffering from reliability issues. It's still a short route so an extension is possible. The proximity of London Bridge to Aldwych is tempting so the 9 is a fitting route for the extension, especially when factoring in the provision of new links. Having said that, extending an existing route within the Oxford Circus/TCR areas would be a more attractive idea.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 1, 2019 8:17:26 GMT
I always cling to the hope the 9 would be re extended to Mortlake if the bridge gets fixed. I do realise it's a long shot thou.
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