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Post by John tuthill on Nov 24, 2018 21:40:37 GMT
Not like the good old days(Not my picture) Deconstructing the photo, those two 73s are at the bottom of Pentonville Road, one minute from Kings Cross station, so neither has come from the York Way stand. Almost certainly, they will have started their journeys at Stoke Newington, and the first RTL is a Tottenham bus, probably the second as well but it could possibly have been a Mortlake bus. Their juxtaposition is not evidence of late running, as they were probably scheduled to be 2 to 5 minutes apart. RTLs disappeared from the 73 in 1962, it being one of the first trunk routes to embrace Routemasters following the conclusion of the Trolleybus Replacement programme. Quite why the 73 was never allocated RTWs, the 8 ft wide variant of the RT, i don't know, but Mortlake never worked the type, so none on the 9 either.
Bravington's was an institution, I can certainly remember it when I worked in Camden Town Hall in the early to mid 1970s. To break a cardinal rule and digress for a minute one of the strangest incidents of my life occurred about fifty years ago on the only occasion I ever walked all the way up Pentonville Road. It was a very short distance from this photo, when I passed one of the then-numerous Italian cafes in the area. A middle-aged Italian woman came rushing out and breathlessly told me that she'd seen me walking by and felt compelled to let me know that she was psychic and that one day I was going to be very, very rich. She indicated she wasn't expecting payment for this 'information' and disappeared back into the cafe, leaving me somewhat bemused. Suffice to say.those riches are taking a long, long time to find their way to me! Maybe not from 'M', but there were Saturday workings from 'D' on Saturdays between '51 to '54 and '59 to '60.(Check out Ian Armstrongs web page.) It can't be weight resistrictions(at the time) on Hammersmith Bridge or access to 'M' once over the bridge. Photo from Ian Armstrongs web page. Attachment Deleted
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Post by busaholic on Nov 24, 2018 21:53:24 GMT
Deconstructing the photo, those two 73s are at the bottom of Pentonville Road, one minute from Kings Cross station, so neither has come from the York Way stand. Almost certainly, they will have started their journeys at Stoke Newington, and the first RTL is a Tottenham bus, probably the second as well but it could possibly have been a Mortlake bus. Their juxtaposition is not evidence of late running, as they were probably scheduled to be 2 to 5 minutes apart. RTLs disappeared from the 73 in 1962, it being one of the first trunk routes to embrace Routemasters following the conclusion of the Trolleybus Replacement programme. Quite why the 73 was never allocated RTWs, the 8 ft wide variant of the RT, i don't know, but Mortlake never worked the type, so none on the 9 either.
Bravington's was an institution, I can certainly remember it when I worked in Camden Town Hall in the early to mid 1970s. To break a cardinal rule and digress for a minute one of the strangest incidents of my life occurred about fifty years ago on the only occasion I ever walked all the way up Pentonville Road. It was a very short distance from this photo, when I passed one of the then-numerous Italian cafes in the area. A middle-aged Italian woman came rushing out and breathlessly told me that she'd seen me walking by and felt compelled to let me know that she was psychic and that one day I was going to be very, very rich. She indicated she wasn't expecting payment for this 'information' and disappeared back into the cafe, leaving me somewhat bemused. Suffice to say.those riches are taking a long, long time to find their way to me! Maybe not from 'M', but there were Saturday workings from 'D' on Saturdays between '51 to '54 and '59 to '60.(Check out Ian Armstrongs web page.) It can't be weight resistrictions(at the time) on Hammersmith Bridge or access to 'M' once over the bridge. Photo from Ian Armstrongs web page. Thanks; i was aware of the Dalston RTWs on the 9, though I don't recollect seeing them ever. There might have been access issues at Mortlake.
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 28, 2018 15:31:32 GMT
Looking at some of the losses/cuts amongst operators due to these proposals - the 45 is receiving a major cut, being mostly replaced by a rerouted 40. While part of the 40 is replaced by an enhanced 35. Perhaps the proposed 40 could take over the existing 45 contract (and vise versa)?
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Post by sid on Nov 28, 2018 15:49:16 GMT
Looking at some of the losses/cuts amongst operators due to these proposals - the 45 is receiving a major cut, being mostly replaced by a rerouted 40. While part of the 40 is replaced by an enhanced 35. Perhaps the proposed 40 could take over the existing 45 contract (and vise versa)? So both routes would return to their previous operators? You could be right although I can't see what will be left of the 45 lasting very long.
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Post by jamirie on Dec 7, 2018 17:43:52 GMT
Didn't factor in the frequency reduction on the 476 so I've changed the PVR reduction from -2 to -6. How did you work these out like in terms of what calculations you used? Looked at timetables and basically used mental arithmetic.
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Post by ronnie on Dec 9, 2018 22:48:00 GMT
Apparently the Financial Times has reported earlier in the day that crossrail could be pushed back even further (to 2020!!) and that £1bn additional funding may be required on top of what has already been done this year
Oh dear, if this is true....
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Post by busaholic on Dec 9, 2018 23:29:18 GMT
Apparently the Financial Times has reported earlier in the day that crossrail could be pushed back even further (to 2020!!) and that £1bn additional funding may be required on top of what has already been done this year Oh dear, if this is true.... <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 24.200000000000045px; height: 3.8799999999999955px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_19514318" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_90308718" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_77269063" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_25375937" scrolling="no"></iframe> That date could be over optimistic. Too early to say, but late 2020 must now be regarded as the earliest: there is NO WAY anyone is going to allow a Thameslink style fiasco to recur, even if that means four or five months of near-perfect running through the core beforehand. Think Croydon Tramlink, well behind schedule but, with all its dummy running, when it opened the problems had been ironed out.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 9, 2018 23:31:18 GMT
Apparently the Financial Times has reported earlier in the day that crossrail could be pushed back even further (to 2020!!) and that £1bn additional funding may be required on top of what has already been done this year Oh dear, if this is true.... I've put something in the Elizabeth Line thread. I think we can almost certainly expect more bus cuts and a long term postponement of Outer London "improvements". I also suspect that a load of gyratory works will be stopped in their tracks such as Waterloo and possibly Vauxhall. Old St may be too far gone to stop given preparatory works have apparently started. I suspect we may also start to see some cuts to Tube, DLR and Overground services to reduce costs and thus concession fees to Keolis / Amey and Arriva Rail London. I wonder if the Mayor has been strong armed by the DfT and Treasury to abandon the fares freeze come 2020 - possibly not in January but the week after the Mayoral election? I don't often use the "disaster" word but we are now in pretty much uncharted territory for TfL and the consequences of anything else going wrong could be extremely serious indeed.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 9, 2018 23:57:57 GMT
Apparently the Financial Times has reported earlier in the day that crossrail could be pushed back even further (to 2020!!) and that £1bn additional funding may be required on top of what has already been done this year Oh dear, if this is true.... I've put something in the Elizabeth Line thread. I think we can almost certainly expect more bus cuts and a long term postponement of Outer London "improvements". I also suspect that a load of gyratory works will be stopped in their tracks such as Waterloo and possibly Vauxhall. Old St may be too far gone to stop given preparatory works have apparently started. I suspect we may also start to see some cuts to Tube, DLR and Overground services to reduce costs and thus concession fees to Keolis / Amey and Arriva Rail London. I wonder if the Mayor has been strong armed by the DfT and Treasury to abandon the fares freeze come 2020 - possibly not in January but the week after the Mayoral election? I don't often use the "disaster" word but we are now in pretty much uncharted territory for TfL and the consequences of anything else going wrong could be extremely serious indeed. Have to say, I'll be absolutely delighted if those gyratory works are stopped as they were mainly utter nonsense in the first place.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 10, 2018 10:51:34 GMT
Apparently the Financial Times has reported earlier in the day that crossrail could be pushed back even further (to 2020!!) and that £1bn additional funding may be required on top of what has already been done this year Oh dear, if this is true.... I've put something in the Elizabeth Line thread. I think we can almost certainly expect more bus cuts and a long term postponement of Outer London "improvements". I also suspect that a load of gyratory works will be stopped in their tracks such as Waterloo and possibly Vauxhall. Old St may be too far gone to stop given preparatory works have apparently started. I suspect we may also start to see some cuts to Tube, DLR and Overground services to reduce costs and thus concession fees to Keolis / Amey and Arriva Rail London. I wonder if the Mayor has been strong armed by the DfT and Treasury to abandon the fares freeze come 2020 - possibly not in January but the week after the Mayoral election? I don't often use the "disaster" word but we are now in pretty much uncharted territory for TfL and the consequences of anything else going wrong could be extremely serious indeed. I am surprised that the tube has got away with cuts. In the evenings on some lines they don't carry as much passengers and at times riding them I have been the only person in the carriage. If this was the bus, then we would get the usual buses running empty jibe.
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Post by COBO on Dec 16, 2018 16:43:09 GMT
I wonder when these results are going to be released.
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Post by ak121 on Dec 16, 2018 17:05:34 GMT
I wonder when these results are going to be released. I'm sure TfL will release them when they ready to be published
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Post by redbus on Dec 16, 2018 18:42:56 GMT
I wonder when these results are going to be released. I'm sure TfL will release them when they ready to be published Don't worry, the results won't be far off what's in the consultation, so we already have a very good idea what will happen
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Post by londontravel on Dec 22, 2018 17:11:18 GMT
On a 15H and overheard a conductor tell a customer that the route is being axed on 2nd March. How true this is I don’t know, but thought I’d share it.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 22, 2018 17:19:28 GMT
On a 15H and overheard a conductor tell a customer that the route is being axed on 2nd March. How true this is I don’t know, but thought I’d share it. I am getting the vibe 2 March is the date planned for all the Central London changes.
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