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Post by dennistas on Dec 22, 2018 17:37:58 GMT
On a 15H and overheard a conductor tell a customer that the route is being axed on 2nd March. How true this is I don’t know, but thought I’d share it. I am getting the vibe 2 March is the date planned for all the Central London changes. I have the same feeling too. Guessing the 48 will be axed on the 2 March.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 17:43:56 GMT
I am getting the vibe 2 March is the date planned for all the Central London changes. I have the same feeling too. Guessing the 48 will be axed on the 2 March. Looks like 2019 will be a year of the bus again but for all the wrong reasons! I think TfL need to balance things a bit better and start looking at routes outside central London. Used route 169 today between Ilford and Barking and was surprised how lightly used it was in both directions. I know that was just one trip but sure there are routes carrying fresh air in places.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 22, 2018 17:56:59 GMT
I have the same feeling too. Guessing the 48 will be axed on the 2 March. Looks like 2019 will be a year of the bus again but for all the wrong reasons! I think TfL need to balance things a bit better and start looking at routes outside central London. Used route 169 today between Ilford and Barking and was surprised how lightly used it was in both directions. I know that was just one trip but sure there are routes carrying fresh air in places. Don’t get sucked in by the “anti bus” & “everything runs around with fresh air” hyperbole on here - not saying nothing should be cut but it’s needs extremely careful consideration as the minute you cut something, you run the risk of simply creating a bigger problem than what was already there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 18:00:58 GMT
Looks like 2019 will be a year of the bus again but for all the wrong reasons! I think TfL need to balance things a bit better and start looking at routes outside central London. Used route 169 today between Ilford and Barking and was surprised how lightly used it was in both directions. I know that was just one trip but sure there are routes carrying fresh air in places. Don’t get sucked in by the “anti bus” & “everything runs around with fresh air” hyperbole on here - not saying nothing should be cut but it’s needs extremely careful consideration as the minute you cut something, you run the risk of simply creating a bigger problem than what was already there. I am very anti cut my rants about the 25 show how I feel. I just think they should look at all routes. Someone here bad a good suggestion about the 241 for example could be covered by diverting the 473 once the Crossrail changes kick in.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 22, 2018 18:02:39 GMT
Don’t get sucked in by the “anti bus” & “everything runs around with fresh air” hyperbole on here - not saying nothing should be cut but it’s needs extremely careful consideration as the minute you cut something, you run the risk of simply creating a bigger problem than what was already there. I am very anti cut my rants about the 25 show how I feel. I just think they should look at all routes. Someone here bad a good suggestion about the 241 for example could be covered by diverting the 473 once the Crossrail changes kick in. Indeed, I noticed your against them - obviously you know the 241 far better than me but I’d rather see the 241 stay and make something useful out of the northern end than scrap it?
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Post by ronnie on Dec 22, 2018 18:26:05 GMT
Looks like 2019 will be a year of the bus again but for all the wrong reasons! I think TfL need to balance things a bit better and start looking at routes outside central London. Used route 169 today between Ilford and Barking and was surprised how lightly used it was in both directions. I know that was just one trip but sure there are routes carrying fresh air in places. Don’t get sucked in by the “anti bus” & “everything runs around with fresh air” hyperbole on here - not saying nothing should be cut but it’s needs extremely careful consideration as the minute you cut something, you run the risk of simply creating a bigger problem than what was already there. Agree - too many parameters (time of day, level of traffic, bunching, day of week, holiday or not ....). I am sure bus usage would be low given Christmas / new year holiday period!
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Post by sid on Dec 22, 2018 18:42:58 GMT
Don’t get sucked in by the “anti bus” & “everything runs around with fresh air” hyperbole on here - not saying nothing should be cut but it’s needs extremely careful consideration as the minute you cut something, you run the risk of simply creating a bigger problem than what was already there. I am very anti cut my rants about the 25 show how I feel. I just think they should look at all routes. Someone here bad a good suggestion about the 241 for example could be covered by diverting the 473 once the Crossrail changes kick in. Indeed and I'm sure none of us particularly want to see cuts in services but declining usage makes them inevitable yet some people still look at things through rose tinted specs. I was very much opposed to the recent reduction on the 468 but I'd have to admit things haven't been as bad as I expected although I still think the Mon-Fri peak hour and Sunday frequency is inadequate.
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Post by sid on Dec 22, 2018 18:49:38 GMT
Don’t get sucked in by the “anti bus” & “everything runs around with fresh air” hyperbole on here - not saying nothing should be cut but it’s needs extremely careful consideration as the minute you cut something, you run the risk of simply creating a bigger problem than what was already there. Agree - too many parameters (time of day, level of traffic, bunching, day of week, holiday or not ....). I am sure bus usage would be low given Christmas / new year holiday period! I'm sure bus usage will be low over the Christmas holiday, in fact it'll be non existent on Tuesday even though there appears to be plenty of demand, but there are some routes where usage is low day in day out, the 353 for example apart from school traffic. And there are some routes, or sections of, that are only really justified during peak hours.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 22, 2018 19:01:04 GMT
Don’t get sucked in by the “anti bus” & “everything runs around with fresh air” hyperbole on here - not saying nothing should be cut but it’s needs extremely careful consideration as the minute you cut something, you run the risk of simply creating a bigger problem than what was already there. Agree - too many parameters (time of day, level of traffic, bunching, day of week, holiday or not ....). I am sure bus usage would be low given Christmas / new year holiday period! Well yes and no. I was not suprised to see big queues for buses at Angel Corner today nor to see heavy loadings on buses towards Turnpike Lane. However the counterbalance is that Period 10, the financial period in which Christmas and New Year always fall, brings a big downwards dip in numbers for all transport modes. You can always spot it on any graph or trend. The one thing I haven't checked is whether the "dip" is getting more pronounced as the festive break seems to get longer each year with many people taking almost 2 weeks off work (depending on where the bank holidays fall). Some schools local to me are not back until 9th Jan! - in reality it's the 7th but "Baker days" (or whatever they're called) often push the start day for pupils back a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 20:25:06 GMT
Don’t get sucked in by the “anti bus” & “everything runs around with fresh air” hyperbole on here - not saying nothing should be cut but it’s needs extremely careful consideration as the minute you cut something, you run the risk of simply creating a bigger problem than what was already there. Agree - too many parameters (time of day, level of traffic, bunching, day of week, holiday or not ....). I am sure bus usage would be low given Christmas / new year holiday period! Sorry I was not implying that route deserves cuts based on my observation. I was just thinking in general there must be routes outside of central London that could be trimmed back a little to save others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 20:44:21 GMT
I am very anti cut my rants about the 25 show how I feel. I just think they should look at all routes. Someone here bad a good suggestion about the 241 for example could be covered by diverting the 473 once the Crossrail changes kick in. Indeed, I noticed your against them - obviously you know the 241 far better than me but I’d rather see the 241 stay and make something useful out of the northern end than scrap it? I would suggest merging the shortened 388 and 241 together creating new links for Newham and the Liverpool Street area. Both the 241 and 388 are fairly lightly used so could work.
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 22, 2018 23:36:34 GMT
Indeed, I noticed your against them - obviously you know the 241 far better than me but I’d rather see the 241 stay and make something useful out of the northern end than scrap it? I would suggest merging the shortened 388 and 241 together creating new links for Newham and the Liverpool Street area. Both the 241 and 388 are fairly lightly used so could work. Might still be too long a route, though I don't think the 241 extension is going ahead anymore anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 23:39:18 GMT
I would suggest merging the shortened 388 and 241 together creating new links for Newham and the Liverpool Street area. Both the 241 and 388 are fairly lightly used so could work. Might still be too long a route, though I don't think the 241 extension is going ahead anymore anyway. No it's not going ahead that's one reason I suggested it as both routes to Hear East would have been over busing that section.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 22, 2018 23:55:21 GMT
Indeed, I noticed your against them - obviously you know the 241 far better than me but I’d rather see the 241 stay and make something useful out of the northern end than scrap it? I would suggest merging the shortened 388 and 241 together creating new links for Newham and the Liverpool Street area. Both the 241 and 388 are fairly lightly used so could work. Could the 241 go off in another direction from Stratford? I'd quite like to keep the 388 as it is
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 30, 2018 12:01:01 GMT
I would suggest merging the shortened 388 and 241 together creating new links for Newham and the Liverpool Street area. Both the 241 and 388 are fairly lightly used so could work. Could the 241 go off in another direction from Stratford? I'd quite like to keep the 388 as it is <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="5.219999999999999" style="position: absolute; width: 24.200000000000045px; height: 5.219999999999999px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_18814885" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="5.219999999999999" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 5.22px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_25025250" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="5.219999999999999" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 5.22px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 199px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_42377675" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="5.219999999999999" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 5.22px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: 199px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_60712500" scrolling="no"></iframe> Maybe route 241 could be extended to Walthamstow Central and route 108 to Canning Town, leading to route 69 being withdrawn.
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