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Post by snowman on Apr 12, 2019 9:33:08 GMT
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Post by rj131 on Apr 12, 2019 9:36:15 GMT
The 11, 19 and 22 will not be changing (so 311 won’t be going ahead) and the N271 also won’t be going after all. However the 48 will be going. Absolutely diabolical and disgusting. TfL you are a disgrace.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 12, 2019 9:39:05 GMT
4, 46 & 134 all going ahead too from 15-June Why would TfL either give 134 electrics or go ahead with the proposal if it doesn't enter ULEZ? A waste of resources in my opinion. The should give them to a route with a similar PVR that enters the ULEZ. Just like the 25 getting new buses (which will probably be electric/hydrogen) yet it no longer serves polluted Oxford Street, the irony!
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Post by zebedee104 on Apr 12, 2019 9:42:53 GMT
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Post by M1104 on Apr 12, 2019 9:45:20 GMT
The 11, 19 and 22 will not be changing (so 311 won’t be going ahead) and the N271 also won’t be going after all. However the 48 will be going. Absolutely diabolical and disgusting. TfL you are a disgrace. Glad to hear the 11 and 19 have at least been saved (especially the latter), the only good set of news from it all. Also glad to know that the 159 will still be serving Oxford Street, maintaining at least one bus link through to south west London. Presumably it was decided earlier on not to cut back that route to Oxford Circus.
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Post by foxhat on Apr 12, 2019 9:46:49 GMT
The 11, 19 and 22 will not be changing (so 311 won’t be going ahead) and the N271 also won’t be going after all. However the 48 will be going. Absolutely diabolical and disgusting. TfL you are a disgrace. Glad to hear the 19 has at least been saved, the only good news from it all. And the 11
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Post by VMH2452 on Apr 12, 2019 9:47:22 GMT
Also nothing to help passengers who used 25 to Oxford Street whose journey's probably exceed the hopper fare limit. The bus network is now less about providing service and more about profits.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 12, 2019 9:57:08 GMT
My reaction: 171: Expected, but pick up and set down point being on London Road is a good idea which provides common stop interchange with the 172. I'm surprised TFL are taking the 468 out of the Lambeth Road stand to make space, I would have moved the 155 instead
67/242/N242: I like the idea proposal to introduce the N242, TFL finally realising pulling the 242 out of TCR was a bad idea! Why the fresh air carrying 242 survives and the 67 get cut back to Dalston is a mystery to me but it does anger me to see the 67 cut going ahead. I would have withdrawn the 242.
26/48/55/388: I have to say, the length of time it took for the results to come out made me think TFL had backed down on the 48 cut. Sadly not, the 48 is a lovely route and is certainly needed, God help the 55 when it gets extended to Walthamstow Central. The 388 extension to London Bridge makes the 48's withdrawal seem pointless but Liverpool Street would have been a pointless terminus for the 388 so I am glad TFL acknowledged the 55 cannot take all the strain when the 48 goes. The 55 and 388 only have a very small overlap section though so many people will lose their connection to London Bridge and the City. The 388 isn't even getting a frequency increase though so that route will be overwhelmed. I am sad to see the Hackney Central-Liverpool Street link broken but it was to be expected in this current financial climate the last thing TFL want is bus routes paralleling train services.
476: I don't understand why the 73 and 476 haven't been merged yet. I expected this cut and to be honest I am not too annoyed because I see 476's carrying fresh air along the Euston Road and whilst this cut will inconvenience some, the existence of the 73 makes this cut very easy to defend from a TFL point of view.
11/19/22/311: I am over the moon the 19 cut isn't going ahead. A vital cross-London artery has been saved! TFL even acknowledge the number of broken journeys that would take over an hour. I still expect TFL to try to meddle with the 11 because the route has to endure ridiculous levels of congestion. One benefit of the 311 is that the quick Victoria-Oxford Circus bus link as previously traversed by the 8, 25 and C2 would have been revived.
3: Going ahead with this cut is pointless now the 22 doesn't need its old stand back
4: I expected this to go ahead and to be honest, its not as if bus routes between Fleet Street and Waterloo are in short supply. I would have extended the 4 to Elephant and Castle however to mitigate the 45 cut.
40: I'm not surprised TFL are doing this. I think that Clerkenwell Green is a poor terminus and I really don't see where TFL keep thinking this Elephant-Farringdon demand when Crossrail opens is coming from.
45: Sad this cut is going ahead but not unexpected
53: What a farce
59: Stupid cut
134: Warren Street from the north is a useless terminus
172: To be honest you'd be hard pushed to find a 172 that is busy after Aldywch
341: Why do TFL want to keep the Farringdon Road-Waterloo link, the demand is non existant
343: This extension is good but when one looks at it in the context of cuts to the 40 and RV1 its seems like something TFL felt forced into doing.
RV1: It had been coming but I didn't want the route to be withdrawn
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 9:58:10 GMT
So if the 48 is going where are the spare LTs now going! I know a few are needed for the 55.
So annoyed about the 48 going.
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Post by redexpress on Apr 12, 2019 10:02:35 GMT
The 11, 19 and 22 will not be changing (so 311 won’t be going ahead) and the N271 also won’t be going after all. However the 48 will be going. Absolutely diabolical and disgusting. TfL you are a disgrace. Glad to hear the 11 and 19 have at least been saved (especially the latter) the only good news from it all. D*mn right. Saving the 19 will make a big difference to whether I use buses or give up altogether. And I know I'm not alone there, from speaking to quite a few Highburyites.
388 to London Bridge is a nice surprise.
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Post by george on Apr 12, 2019 10:07:16 GMT
The 11, 19 and 22 will not be changing (so 311 won’t be going ahead) and the N271 also won’t be going after all. However the 48 will be going. Absolutely diabolical and disgusting. TfL you are a disgrace. Agree 48 is always very busy even not during rush hour. Glad 19 is staying new route would be pointless. For the 11 I've always thought that route was far too long so if it went ahead I wouldn't have thought it would be that bad an idea.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 12, 2019 10:07:38 GMT
So if the 48 is going where are the spare LTs now going! I know a few are needed for the 55. So annoyed about the 48 going. 388 LT conversion?
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Post by rj131 on Apr 12, 2019 10:09:51 GMT
So if the 48 is going where are the spare LTs now going! I know a few are needed for the 55. So annoyed about the 48 going. I’m fuming about the 48. I’m actually genuinely thinking we need to team up and put posters in the 48 bus stops advertising the route will be going in October to try and generate some noise. TfL are going to try and implement it as quietly as possible and will advertise it on something like the day before, like the shambolic 303 changes. On another note the standard of this written document is diabolical. So many spelling mistakes and errors about route changes. For example what another member said above about a refund on the hopper fare for interchange between 48 and 388 .... the 48 will be gone!! Another awful mistake is that in this document here consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/central-london/user_uploads/clbsr-implementation-dates.pdf they listed the 40 as a curtailment rather than a restructuring! EDIT: Another mistake in that document is that it failed to list the 242’s rerouteing in the top section, it only listed the N242!
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Post by george on Apr 12, 2019 10:10:11 GMT
So if the 48 is going where are the spare LTs now going! I know a few are needed for the 55. So annoyed about the 48 going. 388 LT conversion? If so only tower transit will not have LTs. Unless you count London sovereign but it's part of RAPT.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 12, 2019 10:13:06 GMT
If so only tower transit will not have LTs. Unless you count London sovereign but it's part of RAPT. Well unless CTP get some LTs to cover the 388 extension, another 2 cities will have to be bought for the 20 which is why I see this as the most likely outcome
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