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Post by rif153 on Aug 8, 2019 21:01:57 GMT
It’ll be hilarious if this trial fails although poor passengers may be a little bemused as to why the boarding arrangements are constantly changing should the trial fail. Enforcing this will be hopeless, people are so used to the current LT boarding arrangements now, they won’t adapt well to the new arrangements. TfL should keep the oyster readers at the rear and middle doors otherwise they’ll be losing a lot of revenue
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 9, 2019 3:29:35 GMT
I was traveling tonight on the N8 and unbeknownst to me, I was subject to the new boarding changes on the LT route.
There are stickers stating the middle & rear doors are for exit only and to board at the front door with your ticket. Middle doors has its wheelchair logo as is expected. All readers bar the driver's has a red sticker and points to the cab if in case anyone falls through the net.
I was actually surprised that passengers along the route waited near the head of the bus flag, no sporadic dispersal when the bus pulled up. Seems the messages advertised prior to the change was heeded well. However dispite notable disruption on the N8 tonight, the bus did arrive 3 minutes later than predicted.
Don't know how to judge this; there were no attempted jumpers on the N8 but the bus was noticeably delayed due to the change. Guess we'll see the latter magnified in the 8 service later today, and I'm sure the fare jumpers will wake up by then to give drivers a headache later today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 8:43:44 GMT
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Post by Frenzie on Aug 9, 2019 9:33:35 GMT
I don’t get what the problem is. Every other bus in London has front door boarding (bar the red arrows). All the wheelchair users and buggy pushers in the comments are just trying to make something out of nothing. The others are probably just upset they can’t get their free ride anymore. It’s not going to be a big deal once they roll it out on all other routes and I hardly doubt that it will affect running times too much. Some timetables are already padded out enough to handle the very slight increase in dwell times. Remember that both the middle and rear door will still be used for alighting, so buses will empty quicker and boarding can commence sooner. On the 65, you could easily wait for a minute just waiting for passengers to come down the stairs before boarding could start so LTs will still have lower dwell times than other conventional buses. Remember that most bus stops only have one or two people waiting for a bus. Also on night buses, drivers don’t have to faff about with pressing buttons to keep the rear doors closed at bus stops so easier all around. I’ve seen on a number of occasions people tapping in but their card being declined and I expect this issue to be resolved once the driver is supervising the card reader. I’m just wondering if the “stand clear of the opening door” announcement is still needed on the earlier LTs. Surely if they programmed the door to open slowly whilst beeping it would reassure passengers the door will open. I’ve been caught out a number of times with that one (especially if the announcement doesn’t work as on LT171).
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 9, 2019 10:18:24 GMT
But LTs are nothing like RMs so does it really matter. It was a futuristic feature of the RM from the lying cu*t boris if they had CSAs the open platform would still be open today regardless if it looked like a RM or not Wash your mouth out, how dare you lol. Part of the problem also lies with TfL and down to cost. It is also one of the main factors that killed the RM's off in the early 2000's. The sue culture in part, but the cost for a conductor is almost as much as the driver. Or to make matters worse, when there were the CA's on the 38 and 24 they were very highly paid and to make matters worse they were not even taking fares or didn't even have an Oyster card reader on them. I am also not surprised at the end of open boarding, I also believe the LT's carry far more passengers than shown in figures, trouble is because drivers also do not count bus pass passengers when they should, I have also seen this on other non LT routes where lazy drivers cannot be bothered to press the pass button.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 10:46:45 GMT
But LTs are nothing like RMs so does it really matter. It was a futuristic feature of the RM from the lying cu*t boris if they had CSAs the open platform would still be open today regardless if it looked like a RM or not Is this sort of language acceptable?
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Post by busaholic on Aug 9, 2019 10:47:23 GMT
It was a futuristic feature of the RM from the lying cu*t boris if they had CSAs the open platform would still be open today regardless if it looked like a RM or not Wash your mouth out, how dare you lol. Part of the problem also lies with TfL and down to cost. It is also one of the main factors that killed the RM's off in the early 2000's. The sue culture in part, but the cost for a conductor is almost as much as the driver. Or to make matters worse, when there were the CA's on the 38 and 24 they were very highly paid and to make matters worse they were not even taking fares or didn't even have an Oyster card reader on them. I am also not surprised at the end of open boarding, I also believe the LT's carry far more passengers than shown in figures, trouble is because drivers also do not count bus pass passengers when they should, I have also seen this on other non LT routes where lazy drivers cannot be bothered to press the pass button.
I would estimate my pass gets cursorily glanced at by drivers approx 50%, looked at 10%, with a 'beep' to indicate it's been 'officially' accounted for between a quarter and third of times! This is, admittedly, more in Central and Inner London than Outer, but most of my journeys are not counted.
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Post by richard on Aug 9, 2019 10:50:11 GMT
It was a futuristic feature of the RM from the lying cu*t boris if they had CSAs the open platform would still be open today regardless if it looked like a RM or not Is this sort of language acceptable? Apologies if you got offended I just don't like him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 19:33:41 GMT
See a short news story on ITV London this evening. The stickers on the doors are far too small IMO. The news story showed passengers still boarding using the two rear doors.
The thing that makes me laugh is this is meant to stop fare dodging which I understand but if you are a fare dodger you are not going to suddenly pay a fare you will just sneak on the rear doors. The most disappointing thing about all this is the loss of three door boarding on really busy routes like EL1 and EL2 it really is impressive to see the LTs arriving at Ilford and load passengers almost instantly.
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Post by COBO on Aug 9, 2019 20:38:49 GMT
See a short news story on ITV London this evening. The stickers on the doors are far too small IMO. The news story showed passengers still boarding using the two rear doors. The thing that makes me laugh is this is meant to stop fare dodging which I understand but if you are a fare dodger you are not going to suddenly pay a fare you will just sneak on the rear doors. The most disappointing thing about all this is the loss of three door boarding on really busy routes like EL1 and EL2 it really is impressive to see the LTs arriving at Ilford and load passengers almost instantly. I just knew that was going to happen.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 9, 2019 21:37:33 GMT
Maybe just maybe the EL routes could keep open boarding as the routes were in some ways intended to be a tram which does have open boarding.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 9, 2019 22:52:25 GMT
See a short news story on ITV London this evening. The stickers on the doors are far too small IMO. The news story showed passengers still boarding using the two rear doors. The thing that makes me laugh is this is meant to stop fare dodging which I understand but if you are a fare dodger you are not going to suddenly pay a fare you will just sneak on the rear doors. The most disappointing thing about all this is the loss of three door boarding on really busy routes like EL1 and EL2 it really is impressive to see the LTs arriving at Ilford and load passengers almost instantly. I’m tempted to get on at either the middle or rear door of an 8 to see if the driver will do anything, my hypothesis is no
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Post by richard on Aug 9, 2019 22:53:19 GMT
See a short news story on ITV London this evening. The stickers on the doors are far too small IMO. The news story showed passengers still boarding using the two rear doors. The thing that makes me laugh is this is meant to stop fare dodging which I understand but if you are a fare dodger you are not going to suddenly pay a fare you will just sneak on the rear doors. The most disappointing thing about all this is the loss of three door boarding on really busy routes like EL1 and EL2 it really is impressive to see the LTs arriving at Ilford and load passengers almost instantly. I’m tempted to get on at either the middle or rear door of an 8 to see if the driver will do anything, my hypothesis is no I would lol
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Post by vjaska on Aug 10, 2019 0:23:36 GMT
Maybe just maybe the EL routes could keep open boarding as the routes were in some ways intended to be a tram which does have open boarding. Brixton has the same conditions as Barking does when it comes to LT routes & boardings so I'd equally say all four LT routes (the 415 doesn't need it unlike the other three routes but it would remove any confusion if all four were kept with the same boarding conditions) running through Brixton should be left with their current boarding conditions otherwise you then may as well remove the LT's and stick conventional buses on the routes instead which give a high overall capacity as well.
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Post by richard on Aug 10, 2019 17:42:33 GMT
Has anyone used the 8/N8 since the changes? I bet there will be lots of confusion come monday
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