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Post by moz on Feb 19, 2019 10:49:12 GMT
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Post by richard on Feb 19, 2019 11:16:56 GMT
Oh dear did it hit a tree?
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Feb 19, 2019 11:17:47 GMT
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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 19, 2019 11:17:47 GMT
This once again proves that RR route training can often be inadequate! Luckily everyone was alright (I think?)
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 19, 2019 11:25:54 GMT
Oh dear did it hit a tree? Looks like it.
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Feb 19, 2019 11:58:38 GMT
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Post by sid on Feb 19, 2019 11:58:38 GMT
This once again proves that RR route training can often be inadequate! Luckily everyone was alright (I think?) It's nothing to do with route training, the onus is on the driver to spot any overhead obstructions.
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Feb 19, 2019 13:41:48 GMT
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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 19, 2019 13:41:48 GMT
This once again proves that RR route training can often be inadequate! Luckily everyone was alright (I think?) It's nothing to do with route training, the onus is on the driver to spot any overhead obstructions. I agree but this wouldn't have happened if the driver was taught the correct route Heard that a driver ended up on the M25?
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Post by sid on Feb 19, 2019 14:14:58 GMT
It's nothing to do with route training, the onus is on the driver to spot any overhead obstructions. I agree but this wouldn't have happened if the driver was taught the correct route Heard that a driver ended up on the M25? Was the bus off route at the time? Either way I'm afraid professional drivers have to accept responsibility for their own actions, any route training is above and beyond the legal requirement and if the driver was unsure where they were going they should have questioned it before they set off. Inevitably there won't be the same level of route learning for rail replacement routes as there would be for conventional bus routes.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 19, 2019 14:30:53 GMT
Before anyone asks, the bus in question is E138 - 2nd E from the batch to be involved in an incident since the batch went for refurb.
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Post by moz on Feb 19, 2019 15:21:55 GMT
It's nothing to do with route training, the onus is on the driver to spot any overhead obstructions. I agree but this wouldn't have happened if the driver was taught the correct route Heard that a driver ended up on the M25? This will all be down to the driver. You can route learn drivers until you're blue in the face, but road conditions will always change. When I was driving for Satgecoach EK we had the 17 route which is bloomin narrow in places with foliage and bushes up to the roadside. All it takes is a wet spell and they can and do start leaning further into the road. Lost a mirror along there once and genuinely thought "That bush wasn't there earlier". So, yeah, drivers fault. Moz
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Feb 19, 2019 15:25:33 GMT
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Post by sid on Feb 19, 2019 15:25:33 GMT
I agree but this wouldn't have happened if the driver was taught the correct route Heard that a driver ended up on the M25? This will all be down to the driver. You can route learn drivers until you're blue in the face, but road conditions will always change. When I was driving for Satgecoach EK we had the 17 route which is bloomin narrow in places with foliage and bushes up to the roadside. All it takes is a wet spell and they can and do start leaning further into the road. Lost a mirror along there once and genuinely thought "That bush wasn't there earlier". So, yeah, drivers fault. Moz I know the very scenic 17 route and I agree with you completely although this tweet suggests that the driver had to swerve to avoid another bus.
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Feb 19, 2019 15:26:59 GMT
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Post by ibus246 on Feb 19, 2019 15:26:59 GMT
I agree but this wouldn't have happened if the driver was taught the correct route Heard that a driver ended up on the M25? Was the bus off route at the time? Either way I'm afraid professional drivers have to accept responsibility for their own actions, any route training is above and beyond the legal requirement and if the driver was unsure where they were going they should have questioned it before they set off. Inevitably there won't be the same level of route learning for rail replacement routes as there would be for conventional bus routes. The location is part of the scheduled route to and from Balcombe station
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 19, 2019 16:30:48 GMT
I have heard that there was another bus coming in the opposite direction but as i have no proof its mere gossip
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 19, 2019 17:08:46 GMT
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Post by heaton30 on Feb 19, 2019 18:16:39 GMT
This once again proves that RR route training can often be inadequate! Luckily everyone was alright (I think?) I never had RR route training when I drove buses for Stagecoach. I was given a map, timetable, and stations to be served. That’s it. Observation is key here, and quite clearly the driver, for whatever reason failed to act before the collision.
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Post by moz on Feb 19, 2019 18:45:22 GMT
This will all be down to the driver. You can route learn drivers until you're blue in the face, but road conditions will always change. When I was driving for Satgecoach EK we had the 17 route which is bloomin narrow in places with foliage and bushes up to the roadside. All it takes is a wet spell and they can and do start leaning further into the road. Lost a mirror along there once and genuinely thought "That bush wasn't there earlier". So, yeah, drivers fault. Moz I know the very scenic 17 route and I agree with you completely although this tweet suggests that the driver had to swerve to avoid another bus. Only advice I'd pass on from that is, if you know you'll endanger your passengers by swerving, hold your line, come to a controlled stop and let whoever is trying to force you over have their accident. Suddenly all those potential people with their phones out become your best mate and witnesses! Moz
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