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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 30, 2023 19:23:30 GMT
I'm personally not in favour of it but if it happens, I hope they just use the names that the lines are already known as and not use some wishy washy arty farty type stuff. Every other rail line in the country goes by the long established names they have, London doesn't need to be different in that regards The big plus of naming the lines will be the end of the farce that is the phrase ‘delays on London Overground’ which means precious little. You can refer to ‘delays on the Goblin line’ for example. Just hoping that they won't name one of them the 'Charles line'
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 30, 2023 19:27:43 GMT
The big plus of naming the lines will be the end of the farce that is the phrase ‘delays on London Overground’ which means precious little. You can refer to ‘delays on the Goblin line’ for example. Just hoping that they won't name one of them the 'Charles line' Can’t see it. That would lead to the nickname of ‘Charlie line’ which really isn’t an advisable name at all. Not even slightly…
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 30, 2023 19:37:23 GMT
Just hoping that they won't name one of them the 'Charles line' Can’t see it. That would lead to the nickname of ‘Charlie line’ which really isn’t an advisable name at all. Not even slightly… Not sure what the reference is here
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 30, 2023 19:42:29 GMT
Can’t see it. That would lead to the nickname of ‘Charlie line’ which really isn’t an advisable name at all. Not even slightly… Not sure what the reference is here Cocaine, Cockney rhyming slang. Down the same vein one could be Bugle Line.
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Post by Green Kitten on Jul 1, 2023 8:10:56 GMT
Overground 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Different colours. Or just use the unofficial names (may need to change Goblin as it doesn’t sound too professional though).
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 1, 2023 10:34:22 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Jul 1, 2023 11:49:58 GMT
Overground 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Different colours. Or just use the unofficial names (may need to change Goblin as it doesn’t sound too professional though). It should be the unofficial names and I’ll include the GOBLIN as well in that - all they need to do is explain what GOBLIN stands for.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 1, 2023 11:54:16 GMT
Overground 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Different colours. Or just use the unofficial names (may need to change Goblin as it doesn’t sound too professional though). It should be the unofficial names and I’ll include the GOBLIN as well in that - all they need to do is explain what GOBLIN stands for. However they don't involve anyone in the names that way, if you're going to do this exercise then you might as well involve the public in the decisions seeing as TfL don't do that with much else. I have mentioned in the past that no member of the general public uses the GOBLIN name, it's only enthusiasts who do and the user group. I've lived on it my whole life and know many who use it and not a single one refers to it as the Goblin, it's just referred to as the Overground by everyone.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 1, 2023 12:02:09 GMT
It should be the unofficial names and I’ll include the GOBLIN as well in that - all they need to do is explain what GOBLIN stands for. However they don't involve anyone in the names that way, if you're going to do this exercise then you might as well involve the public in the decisions seeing as TfL don't do that with much else. I have mentioned in the past that no member of the general public uses the GOBLIN name, it's only enthusiasts who do and the user group. I've lived on it my whole life and know many who use it and not a single one refers to it as the Goblin, it's just referred to as the Overground by everyone. I have to disagree regarding the GOBLIN name. Going back to before the line was branded Overground it was know unofficially as the GOBLIN. This was by passengers and not just enthusiasts.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 1, 2023 13:06:15 GMT
It should be the unofficial names and I’ll include the GOBLIN as well in that - all they need to do is explain what GOBLIN stands for. However they don't involve anyone in the names that way, if you're going to do this exercise then you might as well involve the public in the decisions seeing as TfL don't do that with much else. I have mentioned in the past that no member of the general public uses the GOBLIN name, it's only enthusiasts who do and the user group. I've lived on it my whole life and know many who use it and not a single one refers to it as the Goblin, it's just referred to as the Overground by everyone. Why? All the lines already have unofficial names so in my mind, it makes sense to just stick with them. Had it been a frequency or re-routing change, I’d agree that the public should absolutely have their say but in this instance, there really isn’t any need. I know you’ve mentioned it in the past but like it was mentioned to yourself back then, it’s got nothing to do with enthusiasts either and has been the name associated with the line for years. Passengers don’t always use designated names that other railway lines in any event across the rest of the UK yet there’s no pushback over it. I’ve already said I personally don’t think renaming is needed but if it must happen, the only appropriate way to do it IMO is use their well known designated names rather than some arty farty type names
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 1, 2023 13:26:11 GMT
However they don't involve anyone in the names that way, if you're going to do this exercise then you might as well involve the public in the decisions seeing as TfL don't do that with much else. I have mentioned in the past that no member of the general public uses the GOBLIN name, it's only enthusiasts who do and the user group. I've lived on it my whole life and know many who use it and not a single one refers to it as the Goblin, it's just referred to as the Overground by everyone. Why? All the lines already have unofficial names so in my mind, it makes sense to just stick with them. Had it been a frequency or re-routing change, I’d agree that the public should absolutely have their say but in this instance, there really isn’t any need. I know you’ve mentioned it in the past but like it was mentioned to yourself back then, it’s got nothing to do with enthusiasts either and has been the name associated with the line for years. Passengers don’t always use designated names that other railway lines in any event across the rest of the UK yet there’s no pushback over it. I’ve already said I personally don’t think renaming is needed but if it must happen, the only appropriate way to do it IMO is use their well known designated names rather than some arty farty type names Yeah, however the name isn't associated with the line now which is what I'm trying to say. There's a very small group of people, but GOBLIN being associated with the line is no different to a group of people coming together to suddenly call it the line of misfortune. The name GOBLIN isn't well known among the general public and I'm sure if you went out and asked everyone the name Goblin would barely pop up. Naming it the Goblin would be no different in the eyes of the public to calling it an Elf, Fairy or Vampire because all four names would make no sense to them. It makes sense to theme all the lines together.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 1, 2023 13:27:52 GMT
However they don't involve anyone in the names that way, if you're going to do this exercise then you might as well involve the public in the decisions seeing as TfL don't do that with much else. I have mentioned in the past that no member of the general public uses the GOBLIN name, it's only enthusiasts who do and the user group. I've lived on it my whole life and know many who use it and not a single one refers to it as the Goblin, it's just referred to as the Overground by everyone. I have to disagree regarding the GOBLIN name. Going back to before the line was branded Overground it was know unofficially as the GOBLIN. This was by passengers and not just enthusiasts. Going through Barking Station day in and day out I've not heard a single person refer to it as the Goblin, ever. There's a reason TfL aren't using that name and it's a good opportunity to properly rebrand that line.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 1, 2023 13:29:48 GMT
Why? All the lines already have unofficial names so in my mind, it makes sense to just stick with them. Had it been a frequency or re-routing change, I’d agree that the public should absolutely have their say but in this instance, there really isn’t any need. I know you’ve mentioned it in the past but like it was mentioned to yourself back then, it’s got nothing to do with enthusiasts either and has been the name associated with the line for years. Passengers don’t always use designated names that other railway lines in any event across the rest of the UK yet there’s no pushback over it. I’ve already said I personally don’t think renaming is needed but if it must happen, the only appropriate way to do it IMO is use their well known designated names rather than some arty farty type names Yeah, however the name isn't associated with the line now which is what I'm trying to say. There's a very small group of people, but GOBLIN being associated with the line is no different to a group of people coming together to suddenly call it the line of misfortune. The name GOBLIN isn't well known among the general public and I'm sure if you went out and asked everyone the name Goblin would barely pop up. Naming it the Goblin would be no different in the eyes of the public to calling it an Elf, Fairy or Vampire because all four names would make no sense to them. It makes sense to theme all the lines together. Goblin does make sense because it stands for Gospel Oak to Barking line and some people like myself know it as that. What other alternatives do you suggest?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 1, 2023 13:31:50 GMT
Yeah, however the name isn't associated with the line now which is what I'm trying to say. There's a very small group of people, but GOBLIN being associated with the line is no different to a group of people coming together to suddenly call it the line of misfortune. The name GOBLIN isn't well known among the general public and I'm sure if you went out and asked everyone the name Goblin would barely pop up. Naming it the Goblin would be no different in the eyes of the public to calling it an Elf, Fairy or Vampire because all four names would make no sense to them. It makes sense to theme all the lines together. Goblin does make sense because it stands for Gospel Oak to Barking line and some people like myself know it as that. What other alternatives do you suggest? That's up to the public/the committee designating the line name, and they've very clearly decided that it's not going to be the Goblin. My point is that Goblin to most people would have come out of completely nowhere and have no association with the line. Not to mention Goblins are mischievous fairytale animals that I'm sure is not what you'd want associated with the line.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 1, 2023 15:16:52 GMT
Why? All the lines already have unofficial names so in my mind, it makes sense to just stick with them. Had it been a frequency or re-routing change, I’d agree that the public should absolutely have their say but in this instance, there really isn’t any need. I know you’ve mentioned it in the past but like it was mentioned to yourself back then, it’s got nothing to do with enthusiasts either and has been the name associated with the line for years. Passengers don’t always use designated names that other railway lines in any event across the rest of the UK yet there’s no pushback over it. I’ve already said I personally don’t think renaming is needed but if it must happen, the only appropriate way to do it IMO is use their well known designated names rather than some arty farty type names Yeah, however the name isn't associated with the line now which is what I'm trying to say. There's a very small group of people, but GOBLIN being associated with the line is no different to a group of people coming together to suddenly call it the line of misfortune. The name GOBLIN isn't well known among the general public and I'm sure if you went out and asked everyone the name Goblin would barely pop up. Naming it the Goblin would be no different in the eyes of the public to calling it an Elf, Fairy or Vampire because all four names would make no sense to them. It makes sense to theme all the lines together. The name has always been associated with the line, it hasn't suddenly disappeared just because passengers don't call that. Like I said, passengers don't always call lines elsewhere by their associated name - no one says I'm getting the Brighton Mainline to Brighton among other places yet that's the name of the line whether people like it or not so it matters not how well known it is among the public - the public aren't stupid, they'd be able to twigg especially when any announcements would be followed by stations on the line which the public would know. As for your point around the world GOBLIN, I don't think it's as big a deal as it's made out to be as most passengers will only care about the nature of the actual announcement being meaningful to them rather than the name of the line itself - even then, you could simply call it Gospel Oak to Barking line.
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