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Post by vjaska on Nov 26, 2021 20:51:39 GMT
Been reported elsewhere Ensign are running extras on the 29! Probably nothing fancy just standard fleet buses? Any sign of extras elsewhere? They were using Triaxle deckers in standard Ensign livery. Between Finsbury Park and TCR. I was surprised this would even run; especially with TfL in dire straights! Guessing it was the lovely BCI tri-axles they have?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 26, 2021 22:59:56 GMT
A40 absolutely packed today especially eastbound, around 11.30am/12pm due to the strike action as the central line parallels the A40 from about Perivale eastwards The Holloway Road was absolutely horrendous today. The 17/43/141/263/271 were absolutely packed and combined with traffic on both the Archway Road & a closure of Highgate W Hill causing tailbacks all the way down Highgate Hill there were major delays to pretty much all bus routes in the area.
As I say I understand why TFL workers are striking but if Sadiq wants an office return he has to put an end to this ASAP.
But Khan last week went on the news saying he was confident the strike would not go on and the night tube would be starting as normal this weekend. How wrong he was. I cannot see how people striking is going to stop people returning to the office.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 26, 2021 23:01:55 GMT
Agreed, the strike is just a nuisance, I do think the night tube should at least partially return, so that the economy can bounce back more All these strikes are really doing is amplifying the need for driverless trains. Hate to be that person but I imagine had TFL been in a better financial position with these strikes taking place I'd imagine driverless trains would be on the cards. But driver-less trains would solve nothing, there would still be strikes, unless you get rid of station staff and someone on board the train. This is what MP's and the general public seem to forget.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 26, 2021 23:02:26 GMT
They were using Triaxle deckers in standard Ensign livery. Between Finsbury Park and TCR. I was surprised this would even run; especially with TfL in dire straights! Guessing it was the lovely BCI tri-axles they have? Yes it was these buses.
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Post by richard on Nov 26, 2021 23:25:39 GMT
Agreed, the strike is just a nuisance, I do think the night tube should at least partially return, so that the economy can bounce back more All these strikes are really doing is amplifying the need for driverless trains. Hate to be that person but I imagine had TFL been in a better financial position with these strikes taking place I'd imagine driverless trains would be on the cards. That will do more harm than good there would need to be enhancements in the safety critical areas I would predict if it ever happened there would be strikes for weeks on end not just with driver but staff aswell.
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Post by joefrombow on Nov 27, 2021 0:57:19 GMT
All these strikes are really doing is amplifying the need for driverless trains. Hate to be that person but I imagine had TFL been in a better financial position with these strikes taking place I'd imagine driverless trains would be on the cards. But driver-less trains would solve nothing, there would still be strikes, unless you get rid of station staff and someone on board the train. This is what MP's and the general public seem to forget. I see this and hear this alot particular from the papers and on LBC old Tory boy pierce was saying this earlier this evening, like the whole network is not going to have any staff and the trains are just going to run themselves maybe one day but not anytime soon .
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Post by greenboy on Nov 27, 2021 6:53:45 GMT
All these strikes are really doing is amplifying the need for driverless trains. Hate to be that person but I imagine had TFL been in a better financial position with these strikes taking place I'd imagine driverless trains would be on the cards. But driver-less trains would solve nothing, there would still be strikes, unless you get rid of station staff and someone on board the train. This is what MP's and the general public seem to forget. That's always the argument against driverless trains............ no point if you still need a staff member on the train. Line 1 on the Paris Metro normally runs without onboard staff but needs more station staff trained to deal with an emergency. The big advantage is that trains can be operated more frequently and extra trains can be operated when needed for sporting events etc without having to worry about rostering additional drivers.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 27, 2021 11:53:18 GMT
All these strikes are really doing is amplifying the need for driverless trains. Hate to be that person but I imagine had TFL been in a better financial position with these strikes taking place I'd imagine driverless trains would be on the cards. That will do more harm than good there would need to be enhancements in the safety critical areas I would predict if it ever happened there would be strikes for weeks on end not just with driver but staff aswell. I think it's more so an issue of paying them around 50K to sit in a cab, while PSAs on the DLR earn less but no doubt do a lot more work. It'd be very unfair to slash wages, but more reasonable to make the workload match that of the salary. Doctors and nurses around the country put their lives on the line for around 30-35K. Yet tube drivers earn 50K and then throw a strop about working 4 nights in a year and then make the working class suffer. I can see why they are becoming public enemy number one very quickly.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 27, 2021 12:10:05 GMT
That will do more harm than good there would need to be enhancements in the safety critical areas I would predict if it ever happened there would be strikes for weeks on end not just with driver but staff aswell. I think it's more so an issue of paying them around 50K to sit in a cab, while PSAs on the DLR earn less but no doubt do a lot more work. It'd be very unfair to slash wages, but more reasonable to make the workload match that of the salary. Doctors and nurses around the country put their lives on the line for around 30-35K. Yet tube drivers earn 50K and then throw a strop about working 4 nights in a year and then make the working class suffer. I can see why they are becoming public enemy number one very quickly. It's also incredibly inconsiderate to those retailers in Central London who will now be losing custom at what should be the best time of the year for sales during the Christmas Period.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 27, 2021 15:57:30 GMT
That will do more harm than good there would need to be enhancements in the safety critical areas I would predict if it ever happened there would be strikes for weeks on end not just with driver but staff aswell. I think it's more so an issue of paying them around 50K to sit in a cab, while PSAs on the DLR earn less but no doubt do a lot more work. It'd be very unfair to slash wages, but more reasonable to make the workload match that of the salary. Doctors and nurses around the country put their lives on the line for around 30-35K. Yet tube drivers earn 50K and then throw a strop about working 4 nights in a year and then make the working class suffer. I can see why they are becoming public enemy number one very quickly. Also sets a very bad rep for drivers who actually want to get on with the job and my commendations to any drivers who turned up yesterday.
I remember seeing a clip I think it was of Shepherd's Bush Garage where drivers were telling other drivers who wanted to work to put their bus away and strike with them on a strike day.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 27, 2021 16:41:03 GMT
Also sets a very bad rep for drivers who actually want to get on with the job and my commendations to any drivers who turned up yesterday. No ASLEF drivers were on strike and RMT drivers on the non-Night Tube lines (Bakerloo Circle District H&C MET) were not balloted
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 27, 2021 17:05:16 GMT
That will do more harm than good there would need to be enhancements in the safety critical areas I would predict if it ever happened there would be strikes for weeks on end not just with driver but staff aswell. I think it's more so an issue of paying them around 50K to sit in a cab, while PSAs on the DLR earn less but no doubt do a lot more work. It'd be very unfair to slash wages, but more reasonable to make the workload match that of the salary. Doctors and nurses around the country put their lives on the line for around 30-35K. Yet tube drivers earn 50K and then throw a strop about working 4 nights in a year and then make the working class suffer. I can see why they are becoming public enemy number one very quickly. I think you would find doctors earn a lot more than £35k So on your basis then, we should also be targetting footballers who earn far more than doctors and nurses. Also politicians, the mayor, some TfL managerial positions, bankers etc as they are not putting their lives on the line and earn a lot more than £35k Forgive me if I am wrong, but do believe tube drivers are working class. This is nothing but pure hatred and jealousy that has infected the nation.
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 27, 2021 18:03:33 GMT
I think it's more so an issue of paying them around 50K to sit in a cab, while PSAs on the DLR earn less but no doubt do a lot more work. It'd be very unfair to slash wages, but more reasonable to make the workload match that of the salary. Doctors and nurses around the country put their lives on the line for around 30-35K. Yet tube drivers earn 50K and then throw a strop about working 4 nights in a year and then make the working class suffer. I can see why they are becoming public enemy number one very quickly. I think you would find doctors earn a lot more than £35k So on your basis then, we should also be targetting footballers who earn far more than doctors and nurses. Also politicians, the mayor, some TfL managerial positions, bankers etc as they are not putting their lives on the line and earn a lot more than £35k Forgive me if I am wrong, but do believe tube drivers are working class. This is nothing but pure hatred and jealousy that has infected the nation. Yes the average doctor salary in the UK is currently around £76k.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 27, 2021 18:28:49 GMT
I think it's more so an issue of paying them around 50K to sit in a cab, while PSAs on the DLR earn less but no doubt do a lot more work. It'd be very unfair to slash wages, but more reasonable to make the workload match that of the salary. Doctors and nurses around the country put their lives on the line for around 30-35K. Yet tube drivers earn 50K and then throw a strop about working 4 nights in a year and then make the working class suffer. I can see why they are becoming public enemy number one very quickly. I think you would find doctors earn a lot more than £35k So on your basis then, we should also be targetting footballers who earn far more than doctors and nurses. Also politicians, the mayor, some TfL managerial positions, bankers etc as they are not putting their lives on the line and earn a lot more than £35k Forgive me if I am wrong, but do believe tube drivers are working class. This is nothing but pure hatred and jealousy that has infected the nation. Genuine question but do you believe a tube driver should earn 50k whilst someone in retail should earn less than 10k and also put their lives on the line
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 27, 2021 20:02:45 GMT
I think you would find doctors earn a lot more than £35k So on your basis then, we should also be targetting footballers who earn far more than doctors and nurses. Also politicians, the mayor, some TfL managerial positions, bankers etc as they are not putting their lives on the line and earn a lot more than £35k Forgive me if I am wrong, but do believe tube drivers are working class. This is nothing but pure hatred and jealousy that has infected the nation. Yes the average doctor salary in the UK is currently around £76k. Yes, if used on an mean average. You'll notice mode averages are far lower, junior doctors on average earn around 29K and there are far more of them. Obviously one consultant earning 100+K will skew the entire average. A doctor in specialist training earns around 40K which is still far less than a tube driver
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