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Post by Busboy105 on Mar 13, 2024 18:09:50 GMT
Not sure if this is the correct place to ask this question but here goes. What is forecast to happen to the LTs once their life expectancy is up in London? Will they be scrapped or will they see service elsewhere in the UK. Sorry if this has been asked before? I don't see any operator outside London taking a punt on the LTs. They'll probably be scrapped or maybe even sent abroad. 1000 of them is maybe a bit too many to be scrapped
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 13, 2024 18:13:29 GMT
Not sure if this is the correct place to ask this question but here goes. What is forecast to happen to the LTs once their life expectancy is up in London? Will they be scrapped or will they see service elsewhere in the UK. Sorry if this has been asked before? I don't see any operator outside London taking a punt on the LTs. They'll probably be scrapped or maybe even sent abroad. 1000 of them is maybe a bit too many to be scrapped Let’s not forget the inevitable step of cannibalising a large amount of the lower numbers to keep the higher numbers going.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 13, 2024 19:43:52 GMT
I don't see any operator outside London taking a punt on the LTs. They'll probably be scrapped or maybe even sent abroad. 1000 of them is maybe a bit too many to be scrapped Let’s not forget the inevitable step of cannibalising a large amount of the lower numbers to keep the higher numbers going. Next year will be interesting as the 2026 contracts would have potential already done 2 terms. Now the 3 year contract has emerged I would take a punt maybe on the 3, 8, 24, 27, 390 all getting a 3 year term taking them till 2029 before being withdrawn. In 2027 I think the first withdrawals will happen on the 2022-27 contracts (149, 159, 248 etc) but 2026 Still seems a little soon to be scrapping them.
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Post by cl54 on Mar 13, 2024 19:51:21 GMT
As TfL own the vehicles they could choose to allow a life extension.
The use of LT11 the electric conversion seems to have stopped.If successful and more converted it could justify a life reset.
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 13, 2024 20:32:16 GMT
As TfL own the vehicles they could choose to allow a life extension. The use of LT11 the electric conversion seems to have stopped.If successful and more converted it could justify a life reset. It’s usage has been really sporadic since conversion, I don’t think it was successful. The only saving grace is that TfL didn’t have to pay for it.
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Post by cl54 on Mar 14, 2024 15:29:23 GMT
As TfL own the vehicles they could choose to allow a life extension. The use of LT11 the electric conversion seems to have stopped.If successful and more converted it could justify a life reset. It’s usage has been really sporadic since conversion, I don’t think it was successful. The only saving grace is that TfL didn’t have to pay for it. I received an email this week from Equipmake who did the conversion stating that the project is not dead. I've ridden on the bus several times and the ride is very smooth.
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 14, 2024 15:30:44 GMT
It’s usage has been really sporadic since conversion, I don’t think it was successful. The only saving grace is that TfL didn’t have to pay for it. I received an email this week from Equipmake who did the conversion stating that the project is not dead. I've ridden on the bus several times and the ride is very smooth. Well of course they would say the project isn’t dead. No one ever does until it is. I think at this point if it were successful we would have seen more done and we haven’t.
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Post by cl54 on Mar 14, 2024 18:36:57 GMT
I received an email this week from Equipmake who did the conversion stating that the project is not dead. I've ridden on the bus several times and the ride is very smooth. Well of course they would say the project isn’t dead. No one ever does until it is. I think at this point if it were successful we would have seen more done and we haven’t. Only time will tell but I think there will be more conversions.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Mar 15, 2024 0:12:10 GMT
Singapore managed to get ADL (and MAN) to develop a 3 door 2 staircase left hand traffic version of the E500MMC without paying a costly premium for a custom design -- presumably ADL found it worthwhile in view of potential future large orders for the design (which did not materialise but that's another story). Food for thought perhaps for TfL.
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Post by BK15AZR on Mar 16, 2024 17:43:32 GMT
LT353 is refurbished - saw it on the 38 today.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Mar 16, 2024 17:54:17 GMT
Let’s not forget the inevitable step of cannibalising a large amount of the lower numbers to keep the higher numbers going. Next year will be interesting as the 2026 contracts would have potential already done 2 terms. Now the 3 year contract has emerged I would take a punt maybe on the 3, 8, 24, 27, 390 all getting a 3 year term taking them till 2029 before being withdrawn. In 2027 I think the first withdrawals will happen on the 2022-27 contracts (149, 159, 248 etc) but 2026 Still seems a little soon to be scrapping them. Agreed. I see the 390 (and 73) getting a 4 or 5 year term until 2029/30, with the 3, 8 and 27 taking the 3 year term as mentioned, with the 27 and 159 swapping allocations. I do see the 24 being the first route to have its LTs withdrawn though, since it uses some of the oldest LTs, which I think would be 13regs if got normal registrations. As southlondon413 mentioned, some spares will be needed to keep other vehicles going.
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Post by BK15AZR on Mar 19, 2024 23:37:50 GMT
Saw LT242 on the 55 today and can confirm it's refurbished.
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Post by astock5000 on Mar 22, 2024 21:16:15 GMT
Now at 529/999 confirmed refurbished, four of which are still in progress (or complete but yet to return). Note that while some LTs will very shortly transfer from Go-Ahead to Arriva with route 76, this post shows allocations as they stood prior to that change.
Arriva - Total: 158/302 Complete: LT1-7 / 88-94 / 136-142 / 176-185 / 187-188 / 191-217 / 219 / 221 / 224-230 / 317-320 / 322-328 / 339 / 347-348 / 351-353 / 355-356 / 464-477 / 488-497 / 499-500 / 513-516 / 526-527 / 533-534 / 542 / 564 / 566-567 / 569-575 / 577-587 / 589-592 / 595-602 In progress: LT335 / 337
Possible but not confirmed: LT218 / 220 / 222-223 / 238 / 321 / 329 / 331 / 333 / 346 / 349 / 354 / 520 / 529 / 532 / 565 / 568 / 576 / 588 / 594
As before, refurbishment of buses from Clapton continues along with the 254's allocation now at SF. Arriva LTs completed since sometime last month are no longer having the "a DB company" lettering applied below their operator logos (obviously due to Arriva's sale to I Squared).
Go-Ahead - Total: 155/280 Complete: LT41-44 / 46-68 / 118-119 / 172-173 / 186 / 189 / 231-236 / 273-305 / 310 / 391-393 / 395-396 / 398 / 400-408 / 410-415 / 417-418 / 420-452 / 454-457 / 479-487 / 501-511 In progress: LT453 / 458
Possible but not confirmed: LT311 / 394 / 397 / 399 / 409 / 416 / 419 / 478 / 687
The various 'odd' buses at River Road have indeed been going for refurb, with it appearing that these were left until after the main LT391-427 block was complete (though a few of those still need confirming). Refurb floats LT306-309 have not been used for anywhere between the last few days and several weeks, so these could immediately follow unless they are to move elsewhere. This month's swap involving the 76's buses has left a further group of unrefurbished high-numbered LTs at Camberwell in addition to the larger batches at NX and RR - Q previously only having LT845-847 among an otherwise fully-refurbished allocation.
Metroline - Total: 65/128 Complete: LT8-18 / 95-117 / 175 / 190 / 460 / 543-545 / 547 / 550 / 554 / 556 / 558-561 / 563 / 641 / 643-651 / 653-658
Possible but not confirmed: LT552 / 661 / 746 / 753
A few more LT5xx buses confirmed, otherwise little to report.
RATP - Total: 19/40 Complete: LT69-87
Stagecoach - Total: 82/89 Complete: LT120-135 / 239-240 / 242 / 244 / 246-257 / 259-270 / 312-316 / 357-389
Possible but not confirmed: LT245 / 258
Unrefurbished, long-term VOR: LT241 Unrefurbished, active: LT243 / 271-272 / 390 (all at Leyton)
LT243 was last used on 5th March and therefore is possibly away for refurb. LT270 is no longer carrying its "In Memory of Bill Hogan" name, at least as of late last month.
Transport UK - Total: 46 (+4)/160 Complete: LT19-40 / 143-155 / 157 / 159-162 / 164-166 / 168-170 Internal refurb only: LT156 / 158 / 163 / 167
Possible but not confirmed: LT171
No change other than LT171 apparently returning to service for the first time since May 2022 (though has not tracked consistently).
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Post by BK15AZR on Mar 23, 2024 22:42:59 GMT
LT394 is confirmed to be refurbished - saw it on the 5 today still looking shiny.
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Post by astock5000 on Mar 23, 2024 23:59:03 GMT
In addition to LT394 which I also saw today, I can confirm LT245 is refurbished.
Edit 24th March: LT238 / 548 are also now confirmed while LT349 has not yet been done.
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