Central line

[joefrombow]

Dec 14, 2023 18:53:10 GMT matthieu1221 said:

Dec 13, 2023 20:13:27 GMT WH241 said:

Things seem pretty bad on the Central Line with train shortages.

Buses accepting tickets the entire length of the line.

LU Ticket Request for Central
13th December at 18:05

We are accepting London Underground ticket holders on the Central line, the entire length owing to defective trains.

It’s been pretty much a delay occurrence for a while now. Barring weekends mostly.

Can see the Central Night Tube being indefinitely suspended after the new year , watched Geoff Marshall today and a rolling stock manager was on there she claims another 4 trains should be finished in 2024 then full steam ahead from 2025 which should make about 9 trains finished in 5 years . isn't good enough even with COVID

[Dstock7080]

Dec 17, 2023 20:13:17 GMT joefrombow said:

Can see the Central Night Tube being indefinitely suspended after the new year

Only 14 trains required for Central Night Tube, two cancelled this weekend for staff issues.

It’s hoped to release one CLIP train from Acton each month from January 2024. Five currently in works.

[WH241]

I can't believe how bad the graffiti is getting on the Central Line. The train I used today had really bad external graffiti all along one carriage.  I understand the reason trains are being kept in service but its not a good look.

[capitalomnibus]

Dec 30, 2023 20:26:15 GMT WH241 said:

I can't believe how bad the graffiti is getting on the Central Line. The train I used today had really bad external graffiti all along one carriage.  I understand the reason trains are being kept in service but its not a good look.

I think it is getting out of hand all over London, seems to be bringing back the 1980's again

[matthieu1221]

Fishing around on the FOI results page...

Since December, a number of trains have been unavailable for service due to being stopped for repair and overhaul works. From the total fleet of 85 trains, the number of trains not available for service varies each day but on average has been around twelve since December 2023. The duration trains are stopped for repair varies depending on the nature of the work required to return the train to service. There are currently seven trains that have been stopped for three months or longer. There are no plans to retire any stopped trains.

Number of Central Line Trains

[capitalomnibus]

Tube: Central line train failures set to cause problems for months
Recent disruption on the Central line has been caused by "an abnormally high number of motor failures" on its trains, Transport for London (TfL) has said.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68096180

[matthieu1221]

ES revealed a few days ago that the numbers are even more dire now than the last FOI request revealed. Days with only around half the necessary trains are not uncommon.

Sources said the number of trains available over the last fortnight had ranged from 44 to 66, and typically little more than 50.

[joefrombow]

Feb 1, 2024 12:15:13 GMT matthieu1221 said:

ES revealed a few days ago that the numbers are even more dire now than the last FOI request revealed. Days with only around half the necessary trains are not uncommon.

Sources said the number of trains available over the last fortnight had ranged from 44 to 66, and typically little more than 50.

Intervention to the timetable is needed maybe run split services but strange how they all seem to be failing all of a sudden almost as if they were made with a 30 year life span but not good ,

I've heard that there is a problem with the refurbed unit with gapping so when it is over long sections it fails and has to be reset which is why the long delay in getting it into actual service

[twobellstogo]

Feb 1, 2024 12:21:34 GMT joefrombow said:

Feb 1, 2024 12:15:13 GMT matthieu1221 said:

ES revealed a few days ago that the numbers are even more dire now than the last FOI request revealed. Days with only around half the necessary trains are not uncommon.

Intervention to the timetable is needed maybe run split services but strange how they all seem to be failing all of a sudden almost as if they were made with a 30 year life span but not good ,

I've heard that there is a problem with the refurbed unit with gapping so when it is over long sections it fails and has to be reset which is why the long delay in getting it into actual service

My immediate thought, though it would be unpopular with users of said section, would be to temporarily replace Woodford to Hainault via Chigwell with a bus service, and use the saved trains on the rest of the line. The amount of trains saved would be a drop in the ocean, but better than nothing.

[southlondonbus]

Feb 1, 2024 15:09:12 GMT twobellstogo said:

Feb 1, 2024 12:21:34 GMT joefrombow said:

Intervention to the timetable is needed maybe run split services but strange how they all seem to be failing all of a sudden almost as if they were made with a 30 year life span but not good ,

I've heard that there is a problem with the refurbed unit with gapping so when it is over long sections it fails and has to be reset which is why the long delay in getting it into actual service

My immediate thought, though it would be unpopular with users of said section, would be to temporarily replace Woodford to Hainault via Chigwell with a bus service, and use the saved trains on the rest of the line. The amount of trains saved would be a drop in the ocean, but better than nothing.

Or at the very least run it every 25 mins which would require just 1 train.

Also unpopular I know but could the Ealing Broadway section drop to every 12 or even 15 mins now that the Elizabeth line provides the West End service.

[Green Kitten]

Feb 1, 2024 19:07:18 GMT southlondonbus said:

Feb 1, 2024 15:09:12 GMT twobellstogo said:

My immediate thought, though it would be unpopular with users of said section, would be to temporarily replace Woodford to Hainault via Chigwell with a bus service, and use the saved trains on the rest of the line. The amount of trains saved would be a drop in the ocean, but better than nothing.

Or at the very least run it every 25 mins which would require just 1 train.

Also unpopular I know but could the Ealing Broadway section drop to every 12 or even 15 mins now that the Elizabeth line provides the West End service.

With the minimum allowed layover at both ends, you’d only be able to operate a service every 35 minutes, possibly 30 if train had operators at both ends.

[southlondonbus]

Feb 2, 2024 8:28:19 GMT Green Kitten said:

Feb 1, 2024 19:07:18 GMT southlondonbus said:

Or at the very least run it every 25 mins which would require just 1 train.

Also unpopular I know but could the Ealing Broadway section drop to every 12 or even 15 mins now that the Elizabeth line provides the West End service.

With the minimum allowed layover at both ends, you’d only be able to operate a service every 35 minutes, possibly 30 if train had operators at both ends.

I think if it go to every 30 mins then I think the through service should be restored to save the stand time at Hainault but also so people can atleast have a train in mind at Stratford etc similar to how it's known from example what time the Amersham train leave Wembley Park etc.

[mkay315]

Feb 1, 2024 19:07:18 GMT southlondonbus said:

Feb 1, 2024 15:09:12 GMT twobellstogo said:

My immediate thought, though it would be unpopular with users of said section, would be to temporarily replace Woodford to Hainault via Chigwell with a bus service, and use the saved trains on the rest of the line. The amount of trains saved would be a drop in the ocean, but better than nothing.

Or at the very least run it every 25 mins which would require just 1 train.

Also unpopular I know but could the Ealing Broadway section drop to every 12 or even 15 mins now that the Elizabeth line provides the West End service.

But then here's where it becomes a catch 22, if the Elizabeth line goes down then the central line may be packed out and leave people behind and let's be honest right now everyone and their dog knows that it doesn't take much for the Elizabeth line to go down. Even a little sneeze (being dramatic 😆) can cause that line to collapse.

[matthieu1221]

Feb 2, 2024 8:28:19 GMT Green Kitten said:

Feb 1, 2024 19:07:18 GMT southlondonbus said:

Or at the very least run it every 25 mins which would require just 1 train.

Also unpopular I know but could the Ealing Broadway section drop to every 12 or even 15 mins now that the Elizabeth line provides the West End service.

With the minimum allowed layover at both ends, you’d only be able to operate a service every 35 minutes, possibly 30 if train had operators at both ends.

Someone on RailForumsUK seems to imply that the shuttle is already down to a single train with an operator at each end for speedy turnarounds.

[southlondonbus]

Feb 3, 2024 12:34:23 GMT matthieu1221 said:

Feb 2, 2024 8:28:19 GMT Green Kitten said:

With the minimum allowed layover at both ends, you’d only be able to operate a service every 35 minutes, possibly 30 if train had operators at both ends.

Someone on RailForumsUK seems to imply that the shuttle is already down to a single train with an operator at each end for speedy turnarounds.

I had that a couple of months ago. The trains come into the normal platform at Woodford then depart out a couple of mins later. Then at the stations in between it was the briefest of hesitations.