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Post by ibus246 on Jan 18, 2023 13:01:45 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 18, 2023 15:23:55 GMT
Unfortunately, but as totally expected no new sources of revenue. The permanent ending of free travel before 9am obviously isn't going to bring in an extra revenue as its been in place for close to 3 years now. The extra 10p on bus fare fares (20 to 30p) will largely go on increased wages so tfl ultimately remains as unsustainable as before.
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Post by snowman on Jan 18, 2023 15:36:56 GMT
Apparently zone 1 tube fares up from £2.50 to £2.80 (+12%)
TfL are increasing their part of Council Tax bills by 9.7%
7 day bus and tram pass from £23.30 to £24.70 (+6%)
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 18, 2023 16:26:37 GMT
Unfortunately, but as totally expected no new sources of revenue. The permanent ending of free travel before 9am obviously isn't going to bring in an extra revenue as its been in place for close to 3 years now. The extra 10p on bus fare fares (20 to 30p) will largely go on increased wages so tfl ultimately remains as unsustainable as before. With fares going up by less than inflation and costs increasing with inflation, probably makes TfLs position even more precarious. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 18, 2023 17:03:13 GMT
Unfortunately, but as totally expected no new sources of revenue. The permanent ending of free travel before 9am obviously isn't going to bring in an extra revenue as its been in place for close to 3 years now. The extra 10p on bus fare fares (20 to 30p) will largely go on increased wages so tfl ultimately remains as unsustainable as before. With fares going up by less than inflation and costs increasing with inflation, probably makes TfLs position even more precarious. With some operators giving 10% increases undoubtedly contract costs will rise on tender renewals. The 23 and C3 situation has already shown that RATP were likely to be struggling to cover costs and their next tender will be higher then the current one. |
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 7, 2023 16:21:10 GMT
All the more reason to carry on cycling in place of getting the bus to work when I can.
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Post by gwiwer on Apr 12, 2023 20:19:58 GMT
Am I alone in wondering why bus shelters are carrying posters suggesting "Why not walk if you can?"
TfL are desperate for fares income. There is plenty of space on most buses at most times of day. Everyone who arrives at a bus stop and thinks about walking may also have the thought to save £1.75 at the same time.
TfL are shooting themselves in the foot despite the common sense underlying the message. In much the same way as they would be if they advertised cars on their buses.
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Post by northlondon83 on Apr 13, 2023 13:58:12 GMT
Am I alone in wondering why bus shelters are carrying posters suggesting "Why not walk if you can?" TfL are desperate for fares income. There is plenty of space on most buses at most times of day. Everyone who arrives at a bus stop and thinks about walking may also have the thought to save £1.75 at the same time. TfL are shooting themselves in the foot despite the common sense underlying the message. In much the same way as they would be if they advertised cars on their buses. Also at some bus shelters they've failed to update the price of a bus journey. They have posters saying something similar to 'unlimited travel for £4.95' when it should be £5.25 For me I find bus travel unattractive, a train journey, at least to and from a tfl managed journey isn't that more expensive. Say I wanted to go from Uxbridge to Wembley Park, I'd rather pay 15p more for a fast and reliable journey (I've rarely had problems on the Met line), than take 3 buses, most likely by the time I get to the third the hopper fare time has expired so in theory I'd be paying more. I also have a rail card so no matter where I travel the train journey from zones 2 to 6 is cheaper than the bus and if I was going to a Zone 1 destination I would never take the bus because it would take far too long. |
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 13, 2023 15:53:24 GMT
Am I alone in wondering why bus shelters are carrying posters suggesting "Why not walk if you can?" TfL are desperate for fares income. There is plenty of space on most buses at most times of day. Everyone who arrives at a bus stop and thinks about walking may also have the thought to save £1.75 at the same time. TfL are shooting themselves in the foot despite the common sense underlying the message. In much the same way as they would be if they advertised cars on their buses. Also at some bus shelters they've failed to update the price of a bus journey. They have posters saying something similar to 'unlimited travel for £4.95' when it should be £5.25 For me I find bus travel unattractive, a train journey, at least to and from a tfl managed journey isn't that more expensive. Say I wanted to go from Uxbridge to Wembley Park, I'd rather pay 15p more for a fast and reliable journey (I've rarely had problems on the Met line), than take 3 buses, most likely by the time I get to the third the hopper fare time has expired so in theory I'd be paying more. I also have a rail card so no matter where I travel the train journey from zones 2 to 6 is cheaper than the bus and if I was going to a Zone 1 destination I would never take the bus because it would take far too long. Very few people would travel from Uxbridge to Wembley Park by bus when a frequent and direct rail link exists. However someone travelling from Harrow Town Centre to Wembley Central would use the 182 as although there are rail stations at both locations, they are on different lines. If you were travelling from Harrow to Hendon or Golders Green you would be as likely to use the 183 as any of the rail routes - the growth in passenger numbers on that route since 1999 has been phenomenal. And TfL has published figures showing that the X140 has increased bus use and customer satisfaction along that corridor. |
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 13, 2023 15:58:12 GMT
Am I alone in wondering why bus shelters are carrying posters suggesting "Why not walk if you can?" TfL are desperate for fares income. There is plenty of space on most buses at most times of day. Everyone who arrives at a bus stop and thinks about walking may also have the thought to save £1.75 at the same time. TfL are shooting themselves in the foot despite the common sense underlying the message. In much the same way as they would be if they advertised cars on their buses. TfL also has an Active Travel remit though. And the adverts on bus shelters will also be seen by car users who are the people they are really aimed at. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 13, 2023 16:22:46 GMT
Am I alone in wondering why bus shelters are carrying posters suggesting "Why not walk if you can?" TfL are desperate for fares income. There is plenty of space on most buses at most times of day. Everyone who arrives at a bus stop and thinks about walking may also have the thought to save £1.75 at the same time. TfL are shooting themselves in the foot despite the common sense underlying the message. In much the same way as they would be if they advertised cars on their buses. TfL also has an Active Travel remit though. And the adverts on bus shelters will also be seen by car users who are the people they are really aimed at. But who is it more likely to influence? A car driver sat in a nice warm and comfortable car zooming by, or some cold passenger who's bus is late so they're staring at bus stop adverts? |
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 13, 2023 16:29:01 GMT
TfL also has an Active Travel remit though. And the adverts on bus shelters will also be seen by car users who are the people they are really aimed at. But who is it more likely to influence? A car driver sat in a nice warm and comfortable car zooming by, or some cold passenger who's bus is late so they're staring at bus stop adverts? Or who is it more likely to influence? The car driver stuck and going nowhere, or the bus passenger watching their bus storming up the bus lane? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 13, 2023 16:30:00 GMT
But who is it more likely to influence? A car driver sat in a nice warm and comfortable car zooming by, or some cold passenger who's bus is late so they're staring at bus stop adverts? Or who is it more likely to influence? The car driver stuck and going nowhere, or the bus passenger watching their bus storming up the bus lane? We all know that chances of a bus overtaking a car are rare, I don't think I've made a single journey in my car over the past couple of years where a bus would have been quicker. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Apr 13, 2023 17:09:41 GMT
Am I alone in wondering why bus shelters are carrying posters suggesting "Why not walk if you can?" TfL are desperate for fares income. There is plenty of space on most buses at most times of day. Everyone who arrives at a bus stop and thinks about walking may also have the thought to save £1.75 at the same time. TfL are shooting themselves in the foot despite the common sense underlying the message. In much the same way as they would be if they advertised cars on their buses. I was (wrongly?) under the impression that it was a vestige of the COVID era? |
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Post by abc on Apr 18, 2023 11:39:13 GMT
But who is it more likely to influence? A car driver sat in a nice warm and comfortable car zooming by, or some cold passenger who's bus is late so they're staring at bus stop adverts? Or who is it more likely to influence? The car driver stuck and going nowhere, or the bus passenger watching their bus storming up the bus lane? Bus lane? What is that? Haven't most been replaced by cycle lanes? |
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