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Post by buspete on Feb 15, 2023 12:51:27 GMT
I agree with Dillon above. If Iwanted to get to Blendon/Blackfen then the choice between B13 or 132 was handy at the clock tower.
The B13 frequency seems to be cut to every 20 minutes. I would have thought it better for the B13 to serve the clock tower and extend to terminate at the bus garage.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 15, 2023 14:17:54 GMT
I agree with Dillon above. If Iwanted to get to Blendon/Blackfen then the choice between B13 or 132 was handy at the clock tower. The B13 frequency seems to be cut to every 20 minutes. I would have thought it better for the B13 to serve the clock tower and extend to terminate at the bus garage. All they're bothered about is saving money hence the cut back and unfortunate frequency decrease - extending it to the garage probably doesn't make a saving or a decent enough one. If they actually wanted to support and invest, then it would of probably ended up continuing to the garage.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 15, 2023 15:18:54 GMT
I agree with Dillon above. If Iwanted to get to Blendon/Blackfen then the choice between B13 or 132 was handy at the clock tower. The B13 frequency seems to be cut to every 20 minutes. I would have thought it better for the B13 to serve the clock tower and extend to terminate at the bus garage. The changes at Bexleyheath is to more create stand. 269 & B13 standing at the Library is not a surprise. From my experience doing those routes most people alight and board at the Library a loss of 5 buses per hour not serving 1 stop that hardly anyone boards at. 229 6 buses per hour. In all honesty no need for an extension to BX for B13 probably requires 1 extra bus carrying fresh air between BXSC & BX like the B11 & B16. Overall before the 301 began there was too many buses serving the Clock Tower occasionally Bexleyheath would come to a standstill mainly because of the 401 alighting and boarding at the same stop which has no changed. There was a particular duty I did on the 269 many times where pretty much you would be waiting 5 mins to even get to the first stop because of other buses serving the stop this was around 3:15pm no one really got on there. Overall Bexleyheath area was not built for the amount of buses that serves it now. The 229 between Bexleyeheath Clock Tower and Queen Mary’s Hospital is dead and very frequent.
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Post by greenboy on Feb 15, 2023 15:51:01 GMT
Well that’s annoying. I like being able to choose between the 229, 269, 492 or B14 all from the Clock Tower stops to get home to Sidcup. Even more annoying when coming home from Bluewater and changing from the 96. Why do they have to change things just to inconvenience people? So annoying. I can understand it's annoying for you but it should prevent the half hourly B14 getting overloaded with people who can use the frequent 229 to get to Sidcup area. As mentioned previously the Clock Tower stops can be totally gridlocked with buses and the only solution is to remove some of them.
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 15, 2023 21:12:29 GMT
I agree with Dillon above. If Iwanted to get to Blendon/Blackfen then the choice between B13 or 132 was handy at the clock tower. The B13 frequency seems to be cut to every 20 minutes. I would have thought it better for the B13 to serve the clock tower and extend to terminate at the bus garage. The changes at Bexleyheath is to more create stand. 269 & B13 standing at the Library is not a surprise. From my experience doing those routes most people alight and board at the Library a loss of 5 buses per hour not serving 1 stop that hardly anyone boards at. 229 6 buses per hour. In all honesty no need for an extension to BX for B13 probably requires 1 extra bus carrying fresh air between BXSC & BX like the B11 & B16. Overall before the 301 began there was too many buses serving the Clock Tower occasionally Bexleyheath would come to a standstill mainly because of the 401 alighting and boarding at the same stop which has no changed. There was a particular duty I did on the 269 many times where pretty much you would be waiting 5 mins to even get to the first stop because of other buses serving the stop this was around 3:15pm no one really got on there. Overall Bexleyheath area was not built for the amount of buses that serves it now. The 229 between Bexleyeheath Clock Tower and Queen Mary’s Hospital is dead and very frequent. So scope for a saving by curtailing the 229 at Bexleyheath?
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Post by YX10FFN on Feb 15, 2023 22:18:08 GMT
So scope for a saving by curtailing the 229 at Bexleyheath? If I remember correctly there's a lot of school/college use at the Sidcup end of the 229, with a number of them quite close to eachother on the 229's solo section on Hurst Road. Plus it would be a lot of pressure on the 269 in general by removing a route with that high of a frequency.
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Post by Dillon95 on Feb 16, 2023 1:01:33 GMT
The changes at Bexleyheath is to more create stand. 269 & B13 standing at the Library is not a surprise. From my experience doing those routes most people alight and board at the Library a loss of 5 buses per hour not serving 1 stop that hardly anyone boards at. 229 6 buses per hour. In all honesty no need for an extension to BX for B13 probably requires 1 extra bus carrying fresh air between BXSC & BX like the B11 & B16. Overall before the 301 began there was too many buses serving the Clock Tower occasionally Bexleyheath would come to a standstill mainly because of the 401 alighting and boarding at the same stop which has no changed. There was a particular duty I did on the 269 many times where pretty much you would be waiting 5 mins to even get to the first stop because of other buses serving the stop this was around 3:15pm no one really got on there. Overall Bexleyheath area was not built for the amount of buses that serves it now. The 229 between Bexleyeheath Clock Tower and Queen Mary’s Hospital is dead and very frequent. So scope for a saving by curtailing the 229 at Bexleyheath? Terrible idea.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 16, 2023 2:53:55 GMT
So scope for a saving by curtailing the 229 at Bexleyheath? If I remember correctly there's a lot of school/college use at the Sidcup end of the 229, with a number of them quite close to eachother on the 229's solo section on Hurst Road. Plus it would be a lot of pressure on the 269 in general by removing a route with that high of a frequency. Yes very busy during School times, at other times of the day it is quieter. Between Sidcup Station and Foots Cray Lane there is high demand because of Schools. Removing the 229 between QMH & BXSC would be a disaster for the 269.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 16, 2023 3:00:45 GMT
The changes at Bexleyheath is to more create stand. 269 & B13 standing at the Library is not a surprise. From my experience doing those routes most people alight and board at the Library a loss of 5 buses per hour not serving 1 stop that hardly anyone boards at. 229 6 buses per hour. In all honesty no need for an extension to BX for B13 probably requires 1 extra bus carrying fresh air between BXSC & BX like the B11 & B16. Overall before the 301 began there was too many buses serving the Clock Tower occasionally Bexleyheath would come to a standstill mainly because of the 401 alighting and boarding at the same stop which has no changed. There was a particular duty I did on the 269 many times where pretty much you would be waiting 5 mins to even get to the first stop because of other buses serving the stop this was around 3:15pm no one really got on there. Overall Bexleyheath area was not built for the amount of buses that serves it now. The 229 between Bexleyeheath Clock Tower and Queen Mary’s Hospital is dead and very frequent. So scope for a saving by curtailing the 229 at Bexleyheath? Definitely not for reasons mentioned above. With the 269 and B14 starting from the Library the 229 will most definitely have increased Patronage from the Clock Tower. In addition you’ll get particular passengers who will instead go and wait for the 269 at the Library as it will be the first stop and a seat guaranteed and less crowded same with the B14
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 16, 2023 8:29:00 GMT
So scope for a saving by curtailing the 229 at Bexleyheath? Definitely not for reasons mentioned above. With the 269 and B14 starting from the Library the 229 will most definitely have increased Patronage from the Clock Tower. In addition you’ll get particular passengers who will instead go and wait for the 269 at the Library as it will be the first stop and a seat guaranteed and less crowded same with the B14 Ok, it was your use of ‘dead’ in your previous post that confused me.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 16, 2023 8:36:34 GMT
Definitely not for reasons mentioned above. With the 269 and B14 starting from the Library the 229 will most definitely have increased Patronage from the Clock Tower. In addition you’ll get particular passengers who will instead go and wait for the 269 at the Library as it will be the first stop and a seat guaranteed and less crowded same with the B14 Ok, it was your use of ‘dead’ in your previous post that confused me. Apologies, the 229 overall the busiest section at pretty much all times is between Thamesmead and Bexleyheath.
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Post by buspete on Feb 20, 2023 2:28:38 GMT
When the B13 was first devised it was a partial replacement for the 132, when it just to run the loop service. The B13 was a replacement for the Crook Log leg, however it was diverted down back streets behind Crook Log, where actual people lived. Being a mini bus service the frequency was enhanced to every 15 minutes, instead of the old 132 frequency of 20 minutes.
So very disappointing now this has gone back to a 20 minute service.
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Post by Dillon95 on Mar 7, 2023 19:06:58 GMT
I noticed the B13 shows ‘Bexleyheath, Townley Road’ on it’s smart blinds now. I prefer ‘Bexleyheath, Town Centre’ or ‘Bexleyheath, Library’.
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Post by twobellstogo on Mar 9, 2023 16:27:11 GMT
I agree with Dillon above. If Iwanted to get to Blendon/Blackfen then the choice between B13 or 132 was handy at the clock tower. The B13 frequency seems to be cut to every 20 minutes. I would have thought it better for the B13 to serve the clock tower and extend to terminate at the bus garage. The changes at Bexleyheath is to more create stand. 269 & B13 standing at the Library is not a surprise. From my experience doing those routes most people alight and board at the Library a loss of 5 buses per hour not serving 1 stop that hardly anyone boards at. 229 6 buses per hour. In all honesty no need for an extension to BX for B13 probably requires 1 extra bus carrying fresh air between BXSC & BX like the B11 & B16. Overall before the 301 began there was too many buses serving the Clock Tower occasionally Bexleyheath would come to a standstill mainly because of the 401 alighting and boarding at the same stop which has no changed. There was a particular duty I did on the 269 many times where pretty much you would be waiting 5 mins to even get to the first stop because of other buses serving the stop this was around 3:15pm no one really got on there. Overall Bexleyheath area was not built for the amount of buses that serves it now. The 229 between Bexleyeheath Clock Tower and Queen Mary’s Hospital is dead and very frequent. Catching up after my time off. Hopefully won’t upset anyone this time! DT 11 for me has pretty much nailed it - it’s creating stand space rather than cutting service that is the driver here. I do like the B14 change - it has small buses and should save this infrequent service from being overloaded with Crook Log passengers who could easily get the 89, 96 etc. The 229’s northern section is undoubtedly the busiest section, but you wouldn’t want to be chopping the Sidcup section of as was suggested above by someone!
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Post by Paul on Mar 17, 2023 14:24:47 GMT
The B14 is due to use the new Townley Road stand in Bexleyheath from 15th April
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