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Post by cl54 on Feb 28, 2023 13:56:05 GMT
Hopper fare doesn't work if there are no buses over the bridge. The are important places on the South Bank of the Thames that deserve a service. It was announced yesterday at the opening of the new entrance to Bank station in Cannon Street that work to re-open Arthur Street is in hand. The proposal leaves a large area without access to a bus. Only two bus stops would no longer be served in the southbound direction so although it might look like a big area on a map at present the bus is mostly just running straight through it without stopping. I think the new links created will be popular. It's a very popular tourist area as well as residential and offices. Lots of pubs and restaurants along the river.
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Post by northlondon83 on Feb 28, 2023 14:34:47 GMT
Perhaps the 344 isn't the right route for this but perhaps a route from somewhere like Vauxhall or Elephant to somewhere across the Thames in East London, like Limehouse/Canary Wharf would be useful, there's currently very little/no cross river bus routes from East London
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Post by WH241 on Feb 28, 2023 15:01:15 GMT
Perhaps the 344 isn't the right route for this but perhaps a route from somewhere like Vauxhall or Elephant to somewhere across the Thames in East London, like Limehouse/Canary Wharf would be useful, there's currently very little/no cross river bus routes from East London Not really practical with congestion along East India Dock Road, all it takes is a issue at the Blackwall or Rotherhithe Tunnel and the area is gridlocked. There is probably very little demand from east London to across the river. We don’t even have decent links to the west let alone heading south. Not sure why the fairly small (in one direction)344 change has created the need for all the suggested changes.
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Post by routew15 on Feb 28, 2023 15:34:12 GMT
The proposal leaves a large area without access to a bus. No it does not. The 381 and 344 still serve the immediate area just not Southwark Bridge itself.
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Post by cl54 on Feb 28, 2023 15:43:55 GMT
The proposal leaves a large area without access to a bus. No it does not. The 381 and 344 still serve the immediate area just not Southwark Bridge itself. Did you ever use the route before the diversion? I did. A lot of people found it useful.
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Post by danorak on Feb 28, 2023 16:06:58 GMT
No it does not. The 381 and 344 still serve the immediate area just not Southwark Bridge itself. Did you ever use the route before the diversion? I did. A lot of people found it useful. I believe Southwark Bridge lost its service once before in the early 90s but it was met with strong local objections, leading to the peculiar peak hour 149 shuttle to Waterloo resuming.
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Post by routew15 on Feb 28, 2023 17:16:09 GMT
No it does not. The 381 and 344 still serve the immediate area just not Southwark Bridge itself. Did you ever use the route before the diversion? I did. A lot of people found it useful. Finding the route useful and the area not being served are two different things. Your original post was discussing the latter. Travel habits change in the space of 6 years and it is unlikely the route will be busier serving Southwark Bridge than London Bridge.
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Post by northlondon83 on Feb 28, 2023 17:19:49 GMT
Did you ever use the route before the diversion? I did. A lot of people found it useful. Finding the route useful and the area not being served are two different things. Your original post was discussing the latter. Travel habits change in the space of 6 years and it is unlikely the route will be busier serving Southwark Bridge than London Bridge. in addition to this, surely London Bridge, being a massive train station, is a more useful destination than Southwark Bridge? I doubt this change will be that impactful, considering that the route only serves Southwark Bridge in one direction
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 28, 2023 17:21:42 GMT
Am important factor to consider is that Southwark Bridge has likely become much busier since London Bridge had traffic restrictions imposed on the weekdays.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 28, 2023 17:26:09 GMT
The consultation is nothing more than a box ticking exercise although a route could perhaps be extended from Elephant & Castle to Mansion House in part compensation? An extension of the 333 would almost recreate the old 95. 56 to Elephant & Castle probably a good candidate that way Southwark Bridge Served in both directions.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 28, 2023 19:51:54 GMT
The consultation is nothing more than a box ticking exercise although a route could perhaps be extended from Elephant & Castle to Mansion House in part compensation? An extension of the 333 would almost recreate the old 95. 56 to Elephant & Castle probably a good candidate that way Southwark Bridge Served in both directions. According to others, it seems like the Southwark Bridge area isn’t really a magnet for passenger traffic so if true, not sure I see a point in extending any route. I’d also like to know, why Mansion House of all places in regards to the 333 - no point trying to recreate the old 95 if there isn’t a valid reason to do so
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Post by thesquirrels on Feb 28, 2023 19:59:44 GMT
Did you ever use the route before the diversion? I did. A lot of people found it useful. I believe Southwark Bridge lost its service once before in the early 90s but it was met with strong local objections, leading to the peculiar peak hour 149 shuttle to Waterloo resuming. For 23 days during July 1991!
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Post by abellion on Feb 28, 2023 20:46:39 GMT
Not a bad idea really since it’s a lightly used stretch.
The Southwark bit is one of the many reasons why I love the 344 - Crossing Southwark Bridge by bus will be missed but at least most of the current routing is still in place as a nice alternative to the 35/133.
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Post by ronnie on Feb 28, 2023 21:17:06 GMT
Not a bad idea really since it’s a lightly used stretch. The Southwark bit is one of the many reasons why I love the 344 - Crossing Southwark Bridge by bus will be missed but at least most of the current routing is still in place as a nice alternative to the 35/133. I think what might have helped is a double run to Southwark bridge (from the south) and back. Of course current road layouts make this very difficult if not downright impossible but that might have at least left some connections In all fairness given the amount of time which it has been on diversion I am sure people would have figured out alternatives
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 28, 2023 21:32:07 GMT
Hopper fare doesn't work if there are no buses over the bridge. The are important places on the South Bank of the Thames that deserve a service. It was announced yesterday at the opening of the new entrance to Bank station in Cannon Street that work to re-open Arthur Street is in hand. The proposal leaves a large area without access to a bus. Only two bus stops would no longer be served in the southbound direction so although it might look like a big area on a map at present the bus is mostly just running straight through it without stopping. I think the new links created will be popular. What new links would be created? The 35 already goes to Clapham Junction and the 133 and 35 have high frequencies to make connections at the Elephant bearable. The language of these consultations is the only reason why I read them. Where's the benefit in leaving Southwark Bridge residents without a bus route to the City? I have a good friend living near the Globe Theatre and everyone in the household works in the Square Mile. One of the positives of sending the 344 over Southwark Bridge was that it was a speedier journey into the City compared to using buses going over London Bridge. Because of the 344 reroute; one walks over a mile into Moorgate, the other gets the Tube and my mate scoots it over to work. TfL receives 1/3 of the financial benefit of a fare with this household, top notch planning!! The South Bank residents still remember the loss of the RV1 and complain about how packed & unreliable the 381 is. This 344 reroute is just another in The Son of a Bus Driver's plans to force everyone off buses in central London. Absolute shambles.
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