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Post by northlondon83 on Feb 28, 2023 21:36:33 GMT
Not a bad idea really since it’s a lightly used stretch. The Southwark bit is one of the many reasons why I love the 344 - Crossing Southwark Bridge by bus will be missed but at least most of the current routing is still in place as a nice alternative to the 35/133. I think what might have helped is a double run to Southwark bridge (from the south) and back. Of course current road layouts make this very difficult if not downright impossible but that might have at least left some connections In all fairness given the amount of time which it has been on diversion I am sure people would have figured out alternatives adding a double run to Southwark Bridge just makes the journey time even longer, surely it would be better to keep things as they are.
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 28, 2023 21:45:19 GMT
Only two bus stops would no longer be served in the southbound direction so although it might look like a big area on a map at present the bus is mostly just running straight through it without stopping. I think the new links created will be popular. What new links would be created? The 35 already goes to Clapham Junction and the 133 and 35 have high frequencies to make connections at the Elephant bearable. The language of these consultations is the only reason why I read them. Where's the benefit in leaving Southwark Bridge residents without a bus route to the City? I have a good friend living near the Globe Theatre and everyone in the household works in the Square Mile. One of the positives of sending the 344 over Southwark Bridge was that it was a speedier journey into the City compared to using buses going over London Bridge. Because of the 344 reroute; one walks over a mile into Moorgate, the other gets the Tube and my mate scoots it over to work. TfL receives 1/3 of the financial benefit of a fare with this household, top notch planning!! The South Bank residents still remember the loss of the RV1 and complain about how packed & unreliable the 381 is. This 344 reroute is just another in The Son of a Bus Driver's plans to force everyone off buses in central London. Absolute shambles. The 344 didn’t ever serve Moorgate. Which tube station do they walk to?
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Post by abellion on Feb 28, 2023 22:09:15 GMT
Only two bus stops would no longer be served in the southbound direction so although it might look like a big area on a map at present the bus is mostly just running straight through it without stopping. I think the new links created will be popular. What new links would be created? The 35 already goes to Clapham Junction and the 133 and 35 have high frequencies to make connections at the Elephant bearable.. The 133 and 344 are both faster than the 35 for Brixton and Clapham Junction respectively though. You’re right about the links, nothing majorly new at all. The 344 already crosses LB northbound and stops close to it southbound plus same stop interchange with the 35/133 for anybody heading towards Lambeth or Battersea.
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Post by WH241 on Feb 28, 2023 22:24:54 GMT
Ok I think I missing something really obvious. The 344 has been on diversion northbound for 3 years? Why is there suddenly so much concern and outrage that it’s being made permanent via London Bridge? Yea the southbound route is changing but missing 2 stops?
There have been far worse changes to routes so not sure the issue here.
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 28, 2023 22:34:15 GMT
What new links would be created? The 35 already goes to Clapham Junction and the 133 and 35 have high frequencies to make connections at the Elephant bearable. The language of these consultations is the only reason why I read them. Where's the benefit in leaving Southwark Bridge residents without a bus route to the City? I have a good friend living near the Globe Theatre and everyone in the household works in the Square Mile. One of the positives of sending the 344 over Southwark Bridge was that it was a speedier journey into the City compared to using buses going over London Bridge. Because of the 344 reroute; one walks over a mile into Moorgate, the other gets the Tube and my mate scoots it over to work. TfL receives 1/3 of the financial benefit of a fare with this household, top notch planning!! The South Bank residents still remember the loss of the RV1 and complain about how packed & unreliable the 381 is. This 344 reroute is just another in The Son of a Bus Driver's plans to force everyone off buses in central London. Absolute shambles. The 344 didn’t ever serve Moorgate. Which tube station do they walk to? The 344 serves Liverpool Street Station, where Moorgate is a 3 minute walk depending on how much you stretch your legs.
Are we really going to hash out the standard debate of forcing everyone onto the Tube again? Yes they go to London Bridge for the Northern line, but are packed trains at premium prices better than a comfortable bus ride into work? Let's not even bring accessibility into this, given the scaremongering Khan has done for the lack of funding to lift improvements at Tube stations.
It shouldn't be either/or with bus services, it should compliment other train and Tube services. Unfortunately it's a done deal as others have pointed out, as something needs to replace the capacity from the London Bridge- Liverpool Street corridor once the 133 is rerouted to Holborn.
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 28, 2023 22:37:12 GMT
Ok I think I missing something really obvious. The 344 has been on diversion northbound for 3 years? Why is there suddenly so much concern and outrage that it’s being made permanent via London Bridge? Yea the southbound route is changing but missing 2 stops? There have been far worse changes to routes so not sure the issue here. April 2015 to (just about) March 2023 is almost 8 years that the 344 has been diverted via London Bridge northbound.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 1, 2023 0:15:58 GMT
I actually think they should return it to it's 90's state and curtail it to London Bridge (or City Hall if stand space is an issue) like it did under Limebourne & London General and leave the 133 as it is - obviously wishful thinking on the latter but the 133 to Liverpool Street is an important objective, arguably more important than the 344. Or could the 344 run to Holborn instead of the 133? Yeah, I guess it could, certainly preferable IMO to the 133 doing the Holborn leg - would that still be via Southwark Bridge or via London Bridge out of interest?
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Post by Green Kitten on Mar 1, 2023 4:03:10 GMT
I barely see anyone waiting for a 344 on Southwark Bridge, walk across it almost daily.
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 1, 2023 7:27:40 GMT
In relation to this subject. Wasn’t the 381 on diversion via London Bridge and eventually became permanent?
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Post by redexpress on Mar 1, 2023 7:41:24 GMT
In relation to this subject. Wasn’t the 381 on diversion via London Bridge and eventually became permanent? 381 has always served London Bridge station, except during major construction work (Shard etc) when it was temporarily diverted away from the area in one direction. Its predecessors P11 and 70 also served London Bridge station.
The exact routeing through the London Bridge area has changed several times though. That's where a once temporary diversion became permanent. The route used to run past the entrance to Guy's Hospital on St Thomas Street in both directions, but now runs the full length of Tooley Street instead.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 1, 2023 7:58:55 GMT
Or could the 344 run to Holborn instead of the 133? Yeah, I guess it could, certainly preferable IMO to the 133 doing the Holborn leg - would that still be via Southwark Bridge or via London Bridge out of interest? I was thinking on the proposed route via London Bridge then on to Holborn. My thinking is probably alot of CJ and Battersea demand probably get off by Elephant and therefore there may be more room at LB for Holborn demand whereas the 133 is probably largely full from Streatham, Brixton, Kennington by the the time it reaches LB with City bound passengers.
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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 1, 2023 8:16:24 GMT
Yeah, I guess it could, certainly preferable IMO to the 133 doing the Holborn leg - would that still be via Southwark Bridge or via London Bridge out of interest? I was thinking on the proposed route via London Bridge then on to Holborn. My thinking is probably alot of CJ and Battersea demand probably get off by Elephant and therefore there may be more room at LB for Holborn demand whereas the 133 is probably largely full from Streatham, Brixton, Kennington by the the time it reaches LB with City bound passengers. Would make a lot of sense.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 5, 2023 18:49:21 GMT
Khan wasting money again Just do it i don’t think it matters too much Keeps some officials in a job though doesnt it The impact statements and consultation are a statutory requirement. It may be a waste of money in your view but TfL is obliged to do it. They did listen to the Central consultation in particular the 98 change by changing it to the 6 being diverted to Victoria instead.
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Post by abellion on Mar 5, 2023 19:23:58 GMT
The impact statements and consultation are a statutory requirement. It may be a waste of money in your view but TfL is obliged to do it. They did listen to the Central consultation in particular the 98 change by changing it to the 6 being diverted to Victoria instead. Perhaps if the 344 diverting to Holborn was mentioned by commenters on the consultation they'd see and consider it. Perfect idea seeing how the 133's demand is very commuter based whilst the 344 is far busier between Vauxhall and Clapham Junction.
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Post by abellion on May 6, 2023 19:21:11 GMT
Considering that this change is inevitable I wish it would hurry up. The 133 will be missed but far less so if all the regular users could get the 344 directly to it on London Bridge from the bus station…
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