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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 24, 2023 15:14:37 GMT
Police watchdog to review Croydon bus fare evasion arrestThe Met Police has referred itself to the police watchdog over the treatment of a woman arrested in front of her son in Croydon, south London, after wrongly being accused of bus fare evasion.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66290457
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 24, 2023 15:21:23 GMT
Police watchdog to review Croydon bus fare evasion arrestThe Met Police has referred itself to the police watchdog over the treatment of a woman arrested in front of her son in Croydon, south London, after wrongly being accused of bus fare evasion.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66290457 They did nothing wrong from what I can see, just refused to show her pass when revenue and the police requested it. What kind of parent chooses to distress their young child when it could have been so easily avoided
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Post by vjaska on Jul 24, 2023 15:38:56 GMT
Police watchdog to review Croydon bus fare evasion arrestThe Met Police has referred itself to the police watchdog over the treatment of a woman arrested in front of her son in Croydon, south London, after wrongly being accused of bus fare evasion.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66290457 I'm confused - why wouldn't you simply show your ticket if you know it's valid? Whilst putting her in handcuffs was an overreaction, she also hasn't helped herself either by simply not showing her valid ticket in the first place.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2023 15:39:42 GMT
Police watchdog to review Croydon bus fare evasion arrestThe Met Police has referred itself to the police watchdog over the treatment of a woman arrested in front of her son in Croydon, south London, after wrongly being accused of bus fare evasion.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66290457 They did nothing wrong from what I can see, just refused to show her pass when revenue and the police requested it. What kind of parent choses to disttrss their young child when it could have been so easily avoided I heard mention of this incident on LBC radio this morning, I'm not going to judge the rights and wrongs but it's more bad publicity for the Met and it's only right that they refer the matter to the IOPC. I think what irked a lot of people is that 14 police officers were reportedly involved in what appears to be a relatively minor incident and questions will inevitably be asked as to whether this was an appropriate use of police resources. Ticket checks on buses seem to be pretty rare nowadays but I've seen some heated arguments over ticket checks on Tramlink.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 24, 2023 15:48:00 GMT
They did nothing wrong from what I can see, just refused to show her pass when revenue and the police requested it. What kind of parent choses to disttrss their young child when it could have been so easily avoided I heard mention of this incident on LBC radio this morning, I'm not going to judge the rights and wrongs but it's more bad publicity for the Met and it's only right that they refer the matter to the IOPC. I think what irked a lot of people is that 14 police officers were reportedly involved in what appears to be a relatively minor incident and questions will inevitably be asked as to whether this was an appropriate use of police resources. Ticket checks on buses seem to be pretty rare nowadays but I've seen some heated arguments over ticket checks on Tramlink. I have seen the off bus events on twitter, the on bus interactions with revenue, not seen ... why chooses to put your young child though this when it could have been so easily avoided. It seems she needlessly wanted to cause trouble for herself. To me just smacks of bad parenting. What example does this give the child. Parents lack discipline, no wonder so many kids behave like they are feral when they see their parents behave like this. It turns out she had paid ... why not just show your card ... then not an issue. Saw about 5 officers in the video, but revenue request support, you are not just going to send 1 or 2 coppers. If their is an issue, more TfL Revenue than the police ... but I don't think there was one.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2023 16:14:33 GMT
I heard mention of this incident on LBC radio this morning, I'm not going to judge the rights and wrongs but it's more bad publicity for the Met and it's only right that they refer the matter to the IOPC. I think what irked a lot of people is that 14 police officers were reportedly involved in what appears to be a relatively minor incident and questions will inevitably be asked as to whether this was an appropriate use of police resources. Ticket checks on buses seem to be pretty rare nowadays but I've seen some heated arguments over ticket checks on Tramlink. I have seen the off bus events on twitter, the on bus interactions with revenue, not seen ... why chooses to put your young child though this when it could have been so easily avoided. It seems she needlessly wanted to cause trouble for herself. To me just smacks of bad parenting. What example does this give the child. Parents lack discipline, no wonder so many kids behave like they are feral when they see their parents behave like this. It turns out she had paid ... why not just show your card ... then not an issue. Saw about 5 officers in the video, but revenue request support, you are not just going to send 1 or 2 coppers. If their is an issue, more TfL Revenue than the police ... but I don't think there was one. I can’t help thinking that there may have been more to this and hopefully the IOPC will get to the bottom of it.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 24, 2023 16:23:57 GMT
I have seen the off bus events on twitter, the on bus interactions with revenue, not seen ... why chooses to put your young child though this when it could have been so easily avoided. It seems she needlessly wanted to cause trouble for herself. To me just smacks of bad parenting. What example does this give the child. Parents lack discipline, no wonder so many kids behave like they are feral when they see their parents behave like this. It turns out she had paid ... why not just show your card ... then not an issue. Saw about 5 officers in the video, but revenue request support, you are not just going to send 1 or 2 coppers. If their is an issue, more TfL Revenue than the police ... but I don't think there was one. I can’t help thinking that there may have been more to this and hopefully the IOPC will get to the bottom of it. Please expand on your thoughts.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2023 16:26:19 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 24, 2023 16:42:00 GMT
You said you had been thinking, so assumed you had some thoughts. Why not just show revenue you had paid your fare, why get them to call the police when you have a very young kid in tow ... I just can not begin to comprehend what was going through her head. If want to make a point about something, that was not the time to do it. Maybe she thought as she had a young kid with her she could make a scene and get away with it.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2023 16:47:05 GMT
You said you had been thinking, so assumed you had some thoughts. Why not just show revenue you had paid your fare, why get them to call the police when you have a very young kid in tow ... I just can not begin to comprehend what was going through her head. If want to make a point about something, that was not the time to do it. Maybe she thought as she had a young kid with her she could make a scene and get away with it. It's difficult to comprehend any of it so it's probably best left to the IOPC. Media coverage doesn't seem to have painted the police in a good light but maybe the IOPC will exonerate them?
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Post by WH241 on Jul 24, 2023 16:48:44 GMT
I have seen this all over Twitter today!
Twitter self appointed judges seem to have made their mind up without looking at both sides of the story. From what I read the passenger was asked to show her ticket but became abusive. Surely if a ticket inspector asks to see your ticket / payment card you comply? I can't see 14 police offices in the clip but do see a police officer or PCO trying to comfort the child.
I really don't like these type of videos that get uploading to get a one sided reaction. The guy filming is clearly goading and trying to wind up
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 24, 2023 16:52:58 GMT
You said you had been thinking, so assumed you had some thoughts. Why not just show revenue you had paid your fare, why get them to call the police when you have a very young kid in tow ... I just can not begin to comprehend what was going through her head. If want to make a point about something, that was not the time to do it. Maybe she thought as she had a young kid with her she could make a scene and get away with it. It's difficult to comprehend any of it so it's probably best left to the IOPC. Media coverage doesn't seem to have painted the police in a good light but maybe the IOPC will exonerate them? How about what happend to need the police to be called in the first place. Why could TfL revenue not deal with it and felt the need to call in the police. Have you seen the video?
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Post by Paul on Jul 24, 2023 17:24:16 GMT
It's difficult to comprehend any of it so it's probably best left to the IOPC. Media coverage doesn't seem to have painted the police in a good light but maybe the IOPC will exonerate them? How about what happend to need the police to be called in the first place. Why could TfL revenue not deal with it and felt the need to call in the police. Have you seen the video? As far as I’m aware the police weren’t called - this was what is colloquially known as a ‘hit squad.’ TfL revenue officers take the lead but police officers and PCSOs are present basically to maintain order. The Revenue officers request to see ‘tickets or passes’ from people getting off buses and if this request is refused or no ticket is produced then the police get involved as happened in this case. It appears that this woman had paid her fare but for reasons unknown decided she would get herself into a confrontation with police
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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2023 17:43:14 GMT
How about what happend to need the police to be called in the first place. Why could TfL revenue not deal with it and felt the need to call in the police. Have you seen the video? As far as I’m aware the police weren’t called - this was what is colloquially known as a ‘hit squad.’ TfL revenue officers take the lead but police officers and PCSOs are present basically to maintain order. The Revenue officers request to see ‘tickets or passes’ from people getting off buses and if this request is refused or no ticket is produced then the police get involved as happened in this case. It appears that this woman had paid her fare but for reasons unknown decided she would get herself into a confrontation with police It was suggested on LBC this morning (not necessarily correct) that the police officers present called for back which apparently lead to 14 officers being there, anyway hopefully it'll all come out in the wash.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 24, 2023 18:27:32 GMT
As far as I’m aware the police weren’t called - this was what is colloquially known as a ‘hit squad.’ TfL revenue officers take the lead but police officers and PCSOs are present basically to maintain order. The Revenue officers request to see ‘tickets or passes’ from people getting off buses and if this request is refused or no ticket is produced then the police get involved as happened in this case. It appears that this woman had paid her fare but for reasons unknown decided she would get herself into a confrontation with police It was suggested on LBC this morning (not necessarily correct) that the police officers present called for back which apparently lead to 14 officers being there, anyway hopefully it'll all come out in the wash. To be honest if I was in a pair and a copper, I would request backup for any aggravated incident
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