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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 23, 2023 15:56:33 GMT
I forgot about that, some years ago. The Abbey Wood-North Greenwich would now be pointless due to the Elizabeth line.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 23, 2023 15:57:54 GMT
I would like to see the Finsbury Park to Ally Pally Northern Heights line re-introduced as a very light rail route (avoiding the old Highgate Station though and instead taking Muswell Hill Road) potentially with an extension further onto Wood Green. What are the chances of this happening? Next to nothing no doubt Would be even cooler if a branch to Friern Barnet/New Southgate were constructed. Chances are zero, unless you get Elon Musk to fund it.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 23, 2023 15:59:07 GMT
I would like to see the Finsbury Park to Ally Pally Northern Heights line re-introduced as a very light rail route (avoiding the old Highgate Station though and instead taking Muswell Hill Road) potentially with an extension further onto Wood Green. What are the chances of this happening? Next to nothing no doubt Would be even cooler if a branch to Friern Barnet/New Southgate were constructed. This is what you would be up against... www.times-series.co.uk/news/23705573.bid-restart-alexandra-palace-finsbury-park-rail-line-criticised/These people are nothing but a bunch of selfish people, loads of other green spaces along the line and parks in a much better way. The current disused line is a muggers paradise.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 23, 2023 16:04:07 GMT
I would like to see the Finsbury Park to Ally Pally Northern Heights line re-introduced as a very light rail route (avoiding the old Highgate Station though and instead taking Muswell Hill Road) potentially with an extension further onto Wood Green. What are the chances of this happening? Next to nothing no doubt Would be even cooler if a branch to Friern Barnet/New Southgate were constructed. Chances are zero, unless you get Elon Musk to fund it. Could also go a step further and reinstate the 653 whilst we're at it
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Post by Buses678 on Aug 24, 2023 11:46:49 GMT
I forgot about that, some years ago. The Abbey Wood-North Greenwich would now be pointless due to the Elizabeth line. i did heard that link could extend over to Greenwich Station.
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Post by ronnie on Aug 24, 2023 19:21:19 GMT
What this says to me is that Havering are still frustrated by National Rail and/or the government for not approving Beam Park station to be built. The housing project cannot hit its occupancy capacity without some sort of railway system, so gotta commend the council for thinking outside of the box. It will take ages, probably more than a decade from conception to first trams; I doubt we will get a Manchester situation where tram extensions were actually built earlier than planned! But yes, if KenEx does become a thing then cannot blame Havering for wanting better public transport connectivity which will no doubt benefit residents. Lakeside from Rainham being a more attractive destination for one, maybe heading south to Bluewater via tram as well. vjaska I am sure the proposed terminus of Harold Hill is to house any potential tramshed for the proposed trams. Rainham for the most part is essentially a built up industrial estate, and I am sure the council would get negative shtick for any displacement of businesses seeing as some traders were turfed off the industrial estates around Stratford & Hackney to build the Olympic Park. The Beam Park station is a joke and stupid imo. Dagenham Dock is not far down the road. All this Beam Park nonsense (which is Dagenham Ford's) is another gentrification attempt and to sell more over-priced high rise appartments that are NOT really affordable as they claim. I am no fan of this Orchard Village nonsense either. You do realise that that walk (as the mayor wants everyone to do) to Dagenham dock is something I wouldn’t attempt even in broad daylight, forget about evening. The only time I have been scared while doing my 351 end to ends is when I had to walk from Dagenham Asda to Dagenham dock station for the EL2. Seems like a scene out of a disaster movie and was half expecting zombies to come out
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 6, 2023 14:05:16 GMT
Surely if Havering Council wanted better connectivity, perhaps half the Upminster services could be diverted at Upminster Bridge towards Romford and with a few passing loops added, fourth railed and segregated tracks adjacent to the GEML into the existing platform at Romford that could be considered very useful? This would now mean Barking and Dagenham would be linked into Romford directly.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 6, 2023 22:14:00 GMT
Surely if Havering Council wanted better connectivity, perhaps half the Upminster services could be diverted at Upminster Bridge towards Romford and with a few passing loops added, fourth railed and segregated tracks adjacent to the GEML into the existing platform at Romford that could be considered very useful? This would now mean Barking and Dagenham would be linked into Romford directly. Not sure how that would work, I doubt there's enough room between the current LU/NR infrastructure to build a curve from the LU lines onto the NR line. Even with passing loops, single tracks with a fairly frequent service can cause issues. If you look at DLR between Bow Church and Stratford, any trains arriving even 120 seconds late at Bow Church can have a knock on effect to three or even four services. Havering, in general is pretty well connected with the Elizabeth Line and GEML to the north of the borough, and the LTS line to the south with a pretty good bus network around the borough linking the various towns and residential areas. The whole Havering Tram idea is nothing but pie in the sky, and the money they're already spending on even coming up with the idea could be better spent on better bus priority and infrastructure to improve the current network.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 6, 2023 22:53:11 GMT
Surely if Havering Council wanted better connectivity, perhaps half the Upminster services could be diverted at Upminster Bridge towards Romford and with a few passing loops added, fourth railed and segregated tracks adjacent to the GEML into the existing platform at Romford that could be considered very useful? This would now mean Barking and Dagenham would be linked into Romford directly. Not sure how that would work, I doubt there's enough room between the current LU/NR infrastructure to build a curve from the LU lines onto the NR line. Even with passing loops, single tracks with a fairly frequent service can cause issues. If you look at DLR between Bow Church and Stratford, any trains arriving even 120 seconds late at Bow Church can have a knock on effect to three or even four services. Havering, in general is pretty well connected with the Elizabeth Line and GEML to the north of the borough, and the LTS line to the south with a pretty good bus network around the borough linking the various towns and residential areas. The whole Havering Tram idea is nothing but pie in the sky, and the money they're already spending on even coming up with the idea could be better spent on better bus priority and infrastructure to improve the current network. I doubt the frequency would be as high as the DLR though, the DLR IIRC runs 8tph in each direction which, especially if the District Line were to only use one platform at Romford, would probably limit the service to maybe 4tph in each direction and so wouldn't be so problematic.
Yes it could be quite a tight curve leaving Upminster Bridge and joining near the Sixth Form College, I'm sure it could be possible though?
The idea is pie in the sky from Havering Council, and all it seems to do is just parallel the existing 174. I do think the District Line running to Romford is more attractive for punters though, demonstrated by demand for bus routes like the 5 which have strong passenger flows from Becontree, Barking and Dagenham into Romford. Whilst there seems to be an endless amount of speculation as to what to do with the Romford to Upminster Line, Upminster is very much "in the way" as a station and would make any form of amendments to the line difficult as grade separation whether it be onto the street or c2c would come with a hefty price tag. Therefore, this is probably the only feasible idea relating to the line, other than keeping it as it is.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 7, 2023 5:51:55 GMT
Not sure how that would work, I doubt there's enough room between the current LU/NR infrastructure to build a curve from the LU lines onto the NR line. Even with passing loops, single tracks with a fairly frequent service can cause issues. If you look at DLR between Bow Church and Stratford, any trains arriving even 120 seconds late at Bow Church can have a knock on effect to three or even four services. Havering, in general is pretty well connected with the Elizabeth Line and GEML to the north of the borough, and the LTS line to the south with a pretty good bus network around the borough linking the various towns and residential areas. The whole Havering Tram idea is nothing but pie in the sky, and the money they're already spending on even coming up with the idea could be better spent on better bus priority and infrastructure to improve the current network. I doubt the frequency would be as high as the DLR though, the DLR IIRC runs 8tph in each direction which, especially if the District Line were to only use one platform at Romford, would probably limit the service to maybe 4tph in each direction and so wouldn't be so problematic.
Yes it could be quite a tight curve leaving Upminster Bridge and joining near the Sixth Form College, I'm sure it could be possible though?
The idea is pie in the sky from Havering Council, and all it seems to do is just parallel the existing 174. I do think the District Line running to Romford is more attractive for punters though, demonstrated by demand for bus routes like the 5 which have strong passenger flows from Becontree, Barking and Dagenham into Romford. Whilst there seems to be an endless amount of speculation as to what to do with the Romford to Upminster Line, Upminster is very much "in the way" as a station and would make any form of amendments to the line difficult as grade separation whether it be onto the street or c2c would come with a hefty price tag. Therefore, this is probably the only feasible idea relating to the line, other than keeping it as it is.
I'm not sure if the 5s flows out of Romford will warrant a rail alternative. The 5 is busy, however most of its crowd are actually from the railway desert along Wood Lane and Longbridge Road who need to get to Barking Station where you have the c2c into Central London as opposed to going to Chadwell Heath or Dagenham Heathway where the train will then take forever.
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 7, 2023 9:06:43 GMT
Not sure how that would work, I doubt there's enough room between the current LU/NR infrastructure to build a curve from the LU lines onto the NR line. Even with passing loops, single tracks with a fairly frequent service can cause issues. If you look at DLR between Bow Church and Stratford, any trains arriving even 120 seconds late at Bow Church can have a knock on effect to three or even four services. Havering, in general is pretty well connected with the Elizabeth Line and GEML to the north of the borough, and the LTS line to the south with a pretty good bus network around the borough linking the various towns and residential areas. The whole Havering Tram idea is nothing but pie in the sky, and the money they're already spending on even coming up with the idea could be better spent on better bus priority and infrastructure to improve the current network. I doubt the frequency would be as high as the DLR though, the DLR IIRC runs 8tph in each direction which, especially if the District Line were to only use one platform at Romford, would probably limit the service to maybe 4tph in each direction and so wouldn't be so problematic. Yes it could be quite a tight curve leaving Upminster Bridge and joining near the Sixth Form College, I'm sure it could be possible though? The idea is pie in the sky from Havering Council, and all it seems to do is just parallel the existing 174. I do think the District Line running to Romford is more attractive for punters though, demonstrated by demand for bus routes like the 5 which have strong passenger flows from Becontree, Barking and Dagenham into Romford. Whilst there seems to be an endless amount of speculation as to what to do with the Romford to Upminster Line, Upminster is very much "in the way" as a station and would make any form of amendments to the line difficult as grade separation whether it be onto the street or c2c would come with a hefty price tag. Therefore, this is probably the only feasible idea relating to the line, other than keeping it as it is.
Realistically the District could run to Romford very easily , can see it now getting a dual voltage 710 painting it into LU colours making a road from the push-pull into Upminster depot and wallop the District Line now runs into Romford another wonderful scheme from our lord and saviour Sadiq Khan 😂
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 7, 2023 9:10:33 GMT
The Beam Park station is a joke and stupid imo. Dagenham Dock is not far down the road. All this Beam Park nonsense (which is Dagenham Ford's) is another gentrification attempt and to sell more over-priced high rise appartments that are NOT really affordable as they claim. I am no fan of this Orchard Village nonsense either. You do realise that that walk (as the mayor wants everyone to do) to Dagenham dock is something I wouldn’t attempt even in broad daylight, forget about evening. The only time I have been scared while doing my 351 end to ends is when I had to walk from Dagenham Asda to Dagenham dock station for the EL2. Seems like a scene out of a disaster movie and was half expecting zombies to come out Wasn't the old Capital Citybus garage up there back in the day ? And extend the 365 to Dagenham Dock problem solved or have a shuttle bus service from Rainham to Dagenham Dock via all the new developments "EL5" .
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Post by Buses678 on Sept 7, 2023 20:22:07 GMT
You do realise that that walk (as the mayor wants everyone to do) to Dagenham dock is something I wouldn’t attempt even in broad daylight, forget about evening. The only time I have been scared while doing my 351 end to ends is when I had to walk from Dagenham Asda to Dagenham dock station for the EL2. Seems like a scene out of a disaster movie and was half expecting zombies to come out Wasn't the old Capital Citybus garage up there back in the day ? And extend the 365 to Dagenham Dock problem solved or have a shuttle bus service from Rainham to Dagenham Dock via all the new developments "EL5" . I could see EL5 proposal on the horizons if TFL considers that to give compensation to the ULEZ
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Post by Buses678 on Sept 7, 2023 20:25:17 GMT
I could also see EL5 getting extended to Hillrise Estate from the the concept Thames Gateway Transit Route 993 vi Elm Park, Roneo Corner, Romford and Collier Row, if TFL does that by chance. Heres the map: www.tbus.org.uk/993map.htm
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Post by WH241 on Sept 7, 2023 20:52:35 GMT
Wasn't the old Capital Citybus garage up there back in the day ? And extend the 365 to Dagenham Dock problem solved or have a shuttle bus service from Rainham to Dagenham Dock via all the new developments "EL5" . I could see EL5 proposal on the horizons if TFL considers that to give compensation to the ULEZ ULEZ is here now and the Superloop is rolling out. I can’t see them going for this. These are all just ideas on drawing boards and most will not progress beyond that and if they do they will be years in the making.
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