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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 16, 2019 12:46:23 GMT
Well done to Abellio for keeping their special RML op on the 159 going despite the closure of Parliament Sq. In fact it was the only 159 running north of the Thames. How ironic. Old bus perhaps reflecting an older time when an effort would be made to provide a service diverting away from a problem rather than cutting the whole route short. There's a report that she was actually only running between Marble Arch and Piccadilly Circus during the protests at Westminster (cabbies) and Trafalgar Square (students). This was indeed the case.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 16, 2019 14:28:57 GMT
As the contract renewal is not until November perhaps final plans haven't yet been ironed out by the firm. The tender result for the 407 left it quite open for Abellio to explore their options. The only prerequisite for the new contract is the buses have to be hybrid double deck. The more I think about it, I think the 407 will get some new buses (Smart Hybrids) alongside existing stock (i.e from the 45). Moreover on the point about the new buses, I can see Abellio buying more Smart Hybrids as they are the cheaper alternative to the ultracap hybrids and are classed by TfL as hybrids. Yes, I agree Abellio seem likely to keep to Smart Hybrids rather than Ultracap. So far the former has been closen by Abellio & Stagecoach, and the latter by Go-Ahead & RATP.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 16, 2019 14:33:52 GMT
When the 211 leaves Abellio. I think it would make sense to unite all Abellio's LTs: 159 transferred to WL with changeovers at Vassall Road using the 36/185/436, similarly to the 3 196 transferred to QB with changeovers at Landsdowne Green using the 452 C10 transferred to QB with changeovers at Victoria using Southern The 196 has a PVR of 16 and the C10 has a PVR of 20. This releases 36 spaces at WL for the 159 which has a PVR of 34 I agree it would be good to unite all Abellio LTs under 1 roof at WL. These reallocaions are a clever way of enabling this. As an aside, I notice your suggestion for route 159 driver changeovers at Vassall Road. These changes would presumbaly take place from June 29th, the Saturday before we could become a Vassall state.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 16, 2019 14:35:54 GMT
This makes a lot of sense, WL is also closer to the 159's line of route, hence why the similar route 3 moved there. The C10 to QB would also be a good move. QB will have quite a lot of excess space from the 211, 452 and C2, so would be far more ideal to install electric charging infrastructure if Abellio were to retain the C10. Abellio could possibly also bid for the P5 with a common electric fleet at QB. I could be wrong but I'm sure WL already has electric charging equipment from the trials of YT1 and OE1 as I don't remember hearing anything about an agreement to use Q's charging facilities? So, if I'm correct and it's a big if, the C10 won't be moving anywhere. This would incidentally help WL to be a feasible garage for a route P5 gain.
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Post by sid on Mar 16, 2019 14:59:16 GMT
I could be wrong but I'm sure WL already has electric charging equipment from the trials of YT1 and OE1 as I don't remember hearing anything about an agreement to use Q's charging facilities? So, if I'm correct and it's a big if, the C10 won't be moving anywhere. This would incidentally help WL to be a feasible garage for a route P5 gain. It would be a feasible garage anyway, charging equipment can be installed if necessary.
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Post by M1104 on Mar 16, 2019 15:06:07 GMT
When the 211 leaves Abellio. I think it would make sense to unite all Abellio's LTs: 159 transferred to WL with changeovers at Vassall Road using the 36/185/436, similarly to the 3 196 transferred to QB with changeovers at Landsdowne Green using the 452 C10 transferred to QB with changeovers at Victoria using Southern The 196 has a PVR of 16 and the C10 has a PVR of 20. This releases 36 spaces at WL for the 159 which has a PVR of 34 I agree it would be good to unite all Abellio LTs under 1 roof at WL. These reallocaions are a clever way of enabling this. As an aside, I notice your suggestion for route 159 driver changeovers at Vassall Road. These changes would presumbaly take place from June 29th, the Saturday before we could become a Vassall state. It's been already mentioned that the 3 and 159 change at the same bus stop[1] , which are on Brixton Road near the junction of Camberwell New Road...incidentally where both routes had crew changed when Q operated most of the route's operation. [1] - St. Marks Church I believe
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Post by Londontransport3 on Mar 17, 2019 12:45:09 GMT
Route 207 will operate from Hayes Garage until the new garage at Southall [GW] is ready in the summer. Meanwhile to make room for route 207 at Hayes: Routes 195 & U5 will transfer to Fulwell [TF] Route U7 will transfer to Southall [AB]
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Post by M1104 on Mar 18, 2019 14:44:40 GMT
The tender result for the 407 left it quite open for Abellio to explore their options. The only prerequisite for the new contract is the buses have to be hybrid double deck. The more I think about it, I think the 407 will get some new buses (Smart Hybrids) alongside existing stock (i.e from the 45). Moreover on the point about the new buses, I can see Abellio buying more Smart Hybrids as they are the cheaper alternative to the ultracap hybrids and are classed by TfL as hybrids. It just occurred to me that the pending 109 award 'could' have an impact on which hybrids the 407 gets for its existing[1] bus contract. Under negotiation the 109 could be awarded with new[2] and existing buses, allowing some existing MMC E40Hs to be cascaded to the 407. This is bearing in mind that the 407's new contract starts a few months before the 109's, which would either mean ordering the new buses earlier to cover for the 407's conversion or keep the 407 single deckers for a little bit longer. [1] - said by a reliable source [2] - somewhat similar to the 75 senario
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Mar 18, 2019 15:06:20 GMT
The tender result for the 407 left it quite open for Abellio to explore their options. The only prerequisite for the new contract is the buses have to be hybrid double deck. The more I think about it, I think the 407 will get some new buses (Smart Hybrids) alongside existing stock (i.e from the 45). Moreover on the point about the new buses, I can see Abellio buying more Smart Hybrids as they are the cheaper alternative to the ultracap hybrids and are classed by TfL as hybrids. It just occurred to me that the pending 109 award 'could' have an impact on which hybrids the 407 gets for its existing bus contract. Under negotiation the 109 could be awarded with new[1] and existing buses, allowing some existing MMC E40Hs to be cascaded to the 407. This is bearing in mind that the 407's new contract starts a few months before the 109's, which would either mean ordering the new buses earlier to cover for the 407's conversion or keep the 407 single deckers for a little bit longer. [1] - somewhat similar to the 75 senario That could be another possibility. I won’t be surprised if the 109 gets new vehicles regardless of operator. If Abellio does retain the 109/N109, it is likely that the route will be prioritised by the firm for new vehicles over the 407. In practice however, the allocations could be mixed together.
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Post by M1104 on Mar 18, 2019 15:15:55 GMT
It just occurred to me that the pending 109 award 'could' have an impact on which hybrids the 407 gets for its existing bus contract. Under negotiation the 109 could be awarded with new[1] and existing buses, allowing some existing MMC E40Hs to be cascaded to the 407. This is bearing in mind that the 407's new contract starts a few months before the 109's, which would either mean ordering the new buses earlier to cover for the 407's conversion or keep the 407 single deckers for a little bit longer. [1] - somewhat similar to the 75 senario That could be another possibility. I won’t be surprised if the 109 gets new vehicles regardless of operator. If Abellio does retain the 109/N109, it is likely that the route will be prioritised by the firm for new vehicles over the 407. In practice however, the allocations could be mixed together. The mixture would then certainly be inevitable between the 109 and 407. However if Smart hybrids are then ordered I imagine the newbies to be restricted from the N109 in relation to the ULEZ.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 18, 2019 15:30:18 GMT
I still think the 45 could be the source for some of the buses for the 407.
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Post by thebusguy on Mar 19, 2019 7:54:34 GMT
My mottos for Abellio: “You want thrash and kickdown, come to Abellio.”
Why? They don’t use RIBAS (on most vehicles [correct me if I’m wrong]) and use a system based off of motion (any Abellio workers feel free to sue me for fraud if I’m wrong).
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Post by vjaska on Mar 19, 2019 9:33:05 GMT
My mottos for Abellio: “You want thrash and kickdown, come to Abellio.” Why? They don’t use RIBAS (on most vehicles [correct me if I’m wrong]) and use a system based off of motion (any Abellio workers feel free to sue me for fraud if I’m wrong). And yet not every Abellio driver actually drives like that.
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Post by 725DYE on Mar 19, 2019 20:01:23 GMT
My mottos for Abellio: “You want thrash and kickdown, come to Abellio.” Why? They don’t use RIBAS (on most vehicles [correct me if I’m wrong]) and use a system based off of motion (any Abellio workers feel free to sue me for fraud if I’m wrong). Excuse my ignorance but what are you on about?
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 19, 2019 23:04:02 GMT
My mottos for Abellio: “You want thrash and kickdown, come to Abellio.” Why? They don’t use RIBAS (on most vehicles [correct me if I’m wrong]) and use a system based off of motion (any Abellio workers feel free to sue me for fraud if I’m wrong). Which buses at Abellio are capable of "thrash and kickdown?" If anything, Abellio are very proficient at having their vehicles tuned down to avoid this sort of thing. Even the Volvos had their kickdowns programmed out of the ECU! Nowadays it's mostly hybrids, subdued Enviros and performance restricted E200 MMCs.
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