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Post by george on May 13, 2019 13:06:47 GMT
Maybe a silly question but the 3 and 344 both have separate stops on Lambeth road near lambeth bridge. Surely they could just share the same stop?
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Post by wirewiper on May 13, 2019 16:11:31 GMT
Maybe a silly question but the 3 and 344 both have separate stops on Lambeth road near lambeth bridge. Surely they could just share the same stop? They could, although these stops may have been separate historically and no-one has ever got round to combing them. Alternatively, as the 3 and 344 go in different directions at the roundabout the 3 may need to stop further back so it can get into the middle or right hand lane (sorry, I'm not familiar with the actual layout) to take the roundabout - the 344 goes left so can stop closer.
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Post by george on May 13, 2019 18:44:01 GMT
Maybe a silly question but the 3 and 344 both have separate stops on Lambeth road near lambeth bridge. Surely they could just share the same stop? They could, although these stops may have been separate historically and no-one has ever got round to combing them. Alternatively, as the 3 and 344 go in different directions at the roundabout the 3 may need to stop further back so it can get into the middle or right hand lane (sorry, I'm not familiar with the actual layout) to take the roundabout - the 344 goes left so can stop closer. The stops are the ones heading towards Elephant and castle. I went past it on the 344 hardly ever get that route and thought it was strange since no other routes go down Lambeth road.
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Post by M1104 on May 13, 2019 19:33:53 GMT
They could, although these stops may have been separate historically and no-one has ever got round to combing them. Alternatively, as the 3 and 344 go in different directions at the roundabout the 3 may need to stop further back so it can get into the middle or right hand lane (sorry, I'm not familiar with the actual layout) to take the roundabout - the 344 goes left so can stop closer. The stops are the ones heading towards Elephant and castle. I went past it on the 344 hardly ever get that route and thought it was strange since no other routes go down Lambeth road. The C10 used to go that way up until a few years ago, it sharing the said stop with the 344
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Post by M1104 on May 14, 2019 9:39:16 GMT
Maybe a silly question but the 3 and 344 both have separate stops on Lambeth road near lambeth bridge. Surely they could just share the same stop? They could, although these stops may have been separate historically and no-one has ever got round to combing them. Alternatively, as the 3 and 344 go in different directions at the roundabout the 3 may need to stop further back so it can get into the middle or right hand lane (sorry, I'm not familiar with the actual layout) to take the roundabout - the 344 goes left so can stop closer. Maybe a silly question but the 3 and 344 both have separate stops on Lambeth road near lambeth bridge. Surely they could just share the same stop? They could, although these stops may have been separate historically and no-one has ever got round to combing them. Alternatively, as the 3 and 344 go in different directions at the roundabout the 3 may need to stop further back so it can get into the middle or right hand lane (sorry, I'm not familiar with the actual layout) to take the roundabout - the 344 goes left so can stop closer. That does sound plausible as I used to drive the C10 many moons back and that bus stop location did help when maneuvering from the bus stop up to the roundabout. I'm not 100% sure but I believe the 159 used to run with the 3/N3 via Lambeth Road[1] and Milbank then got rerouted to Lambeth North and Westminster Bridge Road when the 109 (which then ran that way) got cut back from Trafalgar Square to Brixton. I'm going purely from memory here so I could be mistaken. All in all Lambeth Road from memory had the 3/N3, 159, 344 and C10 in the 90s which even more so justified the separate bus stops. As you said the bus stops were likely separated historically. In a somewhat similar scenario, along the southbound Streatham High Road (beyond Leigham Court Road) the 133 still serves the stops for buses heading off towards Tooting rather than the other stops towards Streatham Common. The stopping arrangement for this route was never changed despite it's rerouting from Tooting Broadway.
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Post by vjaska on May 14, 2019 9:46:06 GMT
They could, although these stops may have been separate historically and no-one has ever got round to combing them. Alternatively, as the 3 and 344 go in different directions at the roundabout the 3 may need to stop further back so it can get into the middle or right hand lane (sorry, I'm not familiar with the actual layout) to take the roundabout - the 344 goes left so can stop closer. They could, although these stops may have been separate historically and no-one has ever got round to combing them. Alternatively, as the 3 and 344 go in different directions at the roundabout the 3 may need to stop further back so it can get into the middle or right hand lane (sorry, I'm not familiar with the actual layout) to take the roundabout - the 344 goes left so can stop closer. That does sound plausible as I used to drive the C10 many moons back and that bus stop location did help when maneuvering from the bus stop up to the roundabout. I'm not 100% sure but I believe the 159 used to run with the 3/N3 via Lambeth Road[1] and Milbank then got rerouted to Lambeth North and Westminster Bridge Road when the 109 (which then ran that way) got cut back from Trafalgar Square to Brixton. I'm going purely from memory here so I could be mistaken. All in all Lambeth Road from memory had the 3/N3, 159, 344 and C10 in the 90s which even more so justified the separate bus stops. As you said the bus stops were likely separated historically. In a somewhat similar scenario, along the southbound Streatham High Road (beyond Leigham Court Road) the 133 still serves the stops for buses heading off towards Tooting rather than the other stops towards Streatham Common. The stopping arrangement for this route was never changed despite it's rerouting from Tooting Broadway. The 159 did indeed run via the 3 along Lambeth Road, Lambeth Bridge & Milbank before being re-routed via the current routing when the 109 was cutback to Brixton & 59 introduced.
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Post by M1104 on May 14, 2019 9:49:09 GMT
There's been reports that the new buses due for the E11 have the electric smart blinds, one already having been delivered. I wonder if this could mean that refurbished buses may be retrofitted, ie the MMCs on the 109 and whatever is due for the 407.
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Post by M1104 on May 14, 2019 9:55:21 GMT
That does sound plausible as I used to drive the C10 many moons back and that bus stop location did help when maneuvering from the bus stop up to the roundabout. I'm not 100% sure but I believe the 159 used to run with the 3/N3 via Lambeth Road[1] and Milbank then got rerouted to Lambeth North and Westminster Bridge Road when the 109 (which then ran that way) got cut back from Trafalgar Square to Brixton. I'm going purely from memory here so I could be mistaken. All in all Lambeth Road from memory had the 3/N3, 159, 344 and C10 in the 90s which even more so justified the separate bus stops. As you said the bus stops were likely separated historically. In a somewhat similar scenario, along the southbound Streatham High Road (beyond Leigham Court Road) the 133 still serves the stops for buses heading off towards Tooting rather than the other stops towards Streatham Common. The stopping arrangement for this route was never changed despite it's rerouting from Tooting Broadway. The 159 did indeed run via the 3 along Lambeth Road, Lambeth Bridge & Milbank before being re-routed via the current routing when the 109 was cutback to Brixton & 59 introduced. Or rather the 59 somewhat re-introduced It got withdrawn beforehand and was a slightly different route, although the Kennington Park to Telford Avenue section was as it is now but the northern section was via Elephant and Castle and Blackfriars Bridge to Farrington if I remember correctly. The southern end used to continue on via the 109 to Croydon then via the 60 to Purley. Used to love the route then with the Cummin engined Metros in regular use on that route, especially M1104 thrashing it down that mainly straight routing.
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Post by YY13VKP on May 14, 2019 10:11:58 GMT
There's been reports that the new buses due for the E11 have the electric smart blinds, one already having been delivered. I wonder if this could mean that refurbished buses may be retrofitted, ie the MMCs on the 109 and whatever is due for the 407. You mean the LED blinds which are currently being trialled on some of Stagecoach's E400MMC's and SEe9 right? That'll be very interesting if they do! I really wouldn't be surprised if within the next few years we have a massive retrofit programme so that all buses staying at least beyond 2020 will have these new blinds
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Post by MoEnviro on May 14, 2019 10:31:38 GMT
There's been reports that the new buses due for the E11 have the electric smart blinds, one already having been delivered. I wonder if this could mean that refurbished buses may be retrofitted, ie the MMCs on the 109 and whatever is due for the 407. Any pics?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 14, 2019 11:14:35 GMT
There's been reports that the new buses due for the E11 have the electric smart blinds, one already having been delivered. I wonder if this could mean that refurbished buses may be retrofitted, ie the MMCs on the 109 and whatever is due for the 407. You mean the LED blinds which are currently being trialled on some of Stagecoach's E400MMC's and SEe9 right? That'll be very interesting if they do! I really wouldn't be surprised if within the next few years we have a massive retrofit programme so that all buses staying at least beyond 2020 will have these new blinds Sorry to be pedantic but SEe9 seems to have an LCD screen while the Stagecoach buses have LEDs.
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Post by M1104 on May 14, 2019 11:56:01 GMT
There's been reports that the new buses due for the E11 have the electric smart blinds, one already having been delivered. I wonder if this could mean that refurbished buses may be retrofitted, ie the MMCs on the 109 and whatever is due for the 407. Any pics? None that I'm yet aware of.
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Post by ServerKing on May 15, 2019 15:10:07 GMT
None that I'm yet aware of. We'll have to wait and SEe I understand they are just as clear as the existing SmartBlinds so that will be progress. It's a long trek to Ealing to go see them if it's true hopefully new bus orders will come with these from now on, and we wait to see what will appear on buses for the P5, C10, 34, 192, 232?
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Post by COBO on May 15, 2019 15:22:55 GMT
I wonder if the 490 will take all of the C10's Enviro 200 MMCs.
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Post by busboy17 on May 15, 2019 15:51:23 GMT
I wonder if the 490 will take all of the C10's Enviro 200 MMCs. I hope not I was hoping 484 would receive them
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