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Post by COBO on May 15, 2019 15:57:27 GMT
I wonder if the 490 will take all of the C10's Enviro 200 MMCs. I hope not I was hoping 484 would receive them Can 10.9m single deckers go on the 484?
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Post by busboy17 on May 15, 2019 15:58:23 GMT
I hope not I was hoping 484 would receive them Can 10.9m single deckers go on the 484? I mean it’s not the first a C10 MMC has strayed to that route
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Post by COBO on May 15, 2019 16:09:37 GMT
Can 10.9m single deckers go on the 484? I mean it’s not the first a C10 MMC has strayed to that route I'm not going to lie but I'm confused. What do you mean?
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Post by YY13VKP on May 15, 2019 17:09:24 GMT
I wonder if the 490 will take all of the C10's Enviro 200 MMCs. I reckon the 490 will only take at least 11 of them as they already have 8788-8793* allocated to it and these are being retained. *8788 currently at WS but should return for the 490's new contract
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Post by LT 20181 on May 15, 2019 22:01:16 GMT
I mean it’s not the first a C10 MMC has strayed to that route I'm not going to lie but I'm confused. What do you mean? I think what he means is that the C10's MMCs have been on the 484 in the past, in the form of 8844, 8845, 8846, 8850, 8853, 8857 & 8858. Looking at how long they've been out on the route on LVF and looking at how long it takes on average to complete rounds on the 484 on londonbusroutes.net, I'd say that they're not just logins and have actually been out on the route. I'm not sure if there are any pictures to help prove this point, but to answer your first question, it does look like the C10s MMCs, which are 10.9m, can fit onto the 484 without harm.
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Post by busboy17 on May 16, 2019 1:01:13 GMT
I'm not going to lie but I'm confused. What do you mean? I think what he means is that the C10's MMCs have been on the 484 in the past, in the form of 8844, 8845, 8846, 8850, 8853, 8857 & 8858. Looking at how long they've been out on the route on LVF and looking at how long it takes on average to complete rounds on the 484 on londonbusroutes.net, I'd say that they're not just logins and have actually been out on the route. I'm not sure if there are any pictures to help prove this point, but to answer your first question, it does look like the C10s MMCs, which are 10.9m, can fit onto the 484 without harm. Is this true
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Post by COBO on May 16, 2019 1:08:46 GMT
I think what he means is that the C10's MMCs have been on the 484 in the past, in the form of 8844, 8845, 8846, 8850, 8853, 8857 & 8858. Looking at how long they've been out on the route on LVF and looking at how long it takes on average to complete rounds on the 484 on londonbusroutes.net, I'd say that they're not just logins and have actually been out on the route. I'm not sure if there are any pictures to help prove this point, but to answer your first question, it does look like the C10s MMCs, which are 10.9m, can fit onto the 484 without harm. Is this true What is true? The P5 going to Abellio London yes that is true.
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Post by 6HP502C on May 16, 2019 5:16:53 GMT
I'm not going to lie but I'm confused. What do you mean? I think what he means is that the C10's MMCs have been on the 484 in the past, in the form of 8844, 8845, 8846, 8850, 8853, 8857 & 8858. Looking at how long they've been out on the route on LVF and looking at how long it takes on average to complete rounds on the 484 on londonbusroutes.net, I'd say that they're not just logins and have actually been out on the route. I'm not sure if there are any pictures to help prove this point, but to answer your first question, it does look like the C10s MMCs, which are 10.9m, can fit onto the 484 without harm. It has definitely happened, I took a picture of one sitting in Lewisham one night. With a lot of care and caution and to some extent, luck, they can fit around but I'd expect drivers would complain. It only takes a couple of badly parked cars on street corners to stop the job where shorter buses could get around.
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Post by sid on May 16, 2019 6:11:59 GMT
I think what he means is that the C10's MMCs have been on the 484 in the past, in the form of 8844, 8845, 8846, 8850, 8853, 8857 & 8858. Looking at how long they've been out on the route on LVF and looking at how long it takes on average to complete rounds on the 484 on londonbusroutes.net, I'd say that they're not just logins and have actually been out on the route. I'm not sure if there are any pictures to help prove this point, but to answer your first question, it does look like the C10s MMCs, which are 10.9m, can fit onto the 484 without harm. It has definitely happened, I took a picture of one sitting in Lewisham one night. With a lot of care and caution and to some extent, luck, they can fit around but I'd expect drivers would complain. It only takes a couple of badly parked cars on street corners to stop the job where shorter buses could get around. I'm sure drivers would complain, it can be tight on a 9.3m bus.
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Post by wirewiper on May 16, 2019 6:52:00 GMT
P5 going to Abellio yes, tender award was announced yesterday (Wednesday 15th May). Contract commences 2nd May 2020 and requires 9 new electric single deckers. For good measure the C10 has been retained and also requires 22 electric single deckers. New contract commences 21st March 2020.
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Post by cl54 on May 16, 2019 10:04:32 GMT
You mean the LED blinds which are currently being trialled on some of Stagecoach's E400MMC's and SEe9 right? That'll be very interesting if they do! I really wouldn't be surprised if within the next few years we have a massive retrofit programme so that all buses staying at least beyond 2020 will have these new blinds Sorry to be pedantic but SEe9 seems to have an LCD screen while the Stagecoach buses have LEDs. They're TFT screens and had bubbles on them within the first week.
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Post by cl54 on May 20, 2019 13:30:27 GMT
There's been reports that the new buses due for the E11 have the electric smart blinds, one already having been delivered. I wonder if this could mean that refurbished buses may be retrofitted, ie the MMCs on the 109 and whatever is due for the 407. I have it on very good authority that the new buses have standard McKenna smart blinds.
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Post by WSD3 on May 22, 2019 5:52:34 GMT
Is the 414 still set to fully go hybrid?
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Post by M1104 on May 22, 2019 8:37:50 GMT
Is the 414 still set to fully go hybrid? Some hybrids are said to be due as they become available from within the fleet which will allow a number of the present 414 buses to return off lease. The 45 is due to free up eight buses from next month when withdrawn between the Elephant and Kings Cross. The 415, once more LTs are available, will fully convert to the type and free up a the rest of its E40Hs. Having said the above the 407 will need hybrids for its new contract later on this year, said to be sourced from within the fleet. All in all it appears to be a case of "watch this space!".
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Post by 6HP502C on May 23, 2019 1:40:43 GMT
I had 8522, 8523, 8224 and 8334 over the weekend. 8224 is a 10.9m Voith boxed stop start E200 MMC. It is limited to 45mph and set to upshift at 1600-1800rpm. On this occasion, it was holding for extended periods in 1st and upshifting at 2600-3000rpm. It would remain in 3rd until the limiter cut the fuel supply at 45mph. A very decent bus but I much prefer the Allison examples from the P13. The brakes required a fair amount of force to operate, which is different to other Voith buses I've had. The cooling fans were going like the absolute clappers - I've never heard anything like it from a MMC. But then there were heatwaves emanating from the engine bay so think that one might be after some coolant. Very solid drive. Should I ever do the West Ruislip route again I'll try and ensure the bus has sufficient windscreen washer fluid. It gets dirty very quickly on the A40. 8334 is a 9.4m E200 from the 484/P13. Nippy enough but I'd never driven one from this batch before. The brakes were not like 8224's - anything more than an absolute feather touch on the brake is seriously not recommended . I believe the P13's MMCs have the same wheelbase length but the suspension feels far more sturdy and stable when braking. Limited to 40mph. 8522/8523 are 10.2m E200s from the 407. Euro 4 Enviros whose engines have a bit of kick and are limited to 40mph.
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