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Post by rif153 on Jun 30, 2019 12:08:08 GMT
There's plenty of surplus LTs across the TFL fleet - perhaps the 267 could simply gain 1-2 additional spares? Will be interesting to see the 159's possibility of the odd stray now that it's once again the only LT route from QB, for now. This is bearing in mind that LTs could be borrowed from WL if needed, especially where they still seem to be using the surplus MMCs released from the cut back of the 45. I doubt we'll get conventional strays on the 159. Abellio are very good at keeping to LT allocations and will just rob the 415 to keep the 3, 68, and 159 fully LT with either the 61-reg E400Hs, 67-reg MMCs, or 18-reg MMCs running on the 415
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Post by george on Jun 30, 2019 12:17:05 GMT
Will be interesting to see the 159's possibility of the odd stray now that it's once again the only LT route from QB, for now. This is bearing in mind that LTs could be borrowed from WL if needed, especially where they still seem to be using the surplus MMCs released from the cut back of the 45. I doubt we'll get conventional strays on the 159. Abellio are very good at keeping to LT allocations and will just rob the 415 to keep the 3, 68, and 159 fully LT with either the 61-reg E400Hs, 67-reg MMCs, or 18-reg MMCs running on the 415 Altough rare conventionals on the 211 did happen from time to time.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 30, 2019 12:34:37 GMT
If Abellio have any trouble with route 267 LTs they may have to borrow a double-deck from GW as back-up. There's plenty of surplus LTs across the TFL fleet - perhaps the 267 could simply gain 1-2 additional spares? Oh yes, and maybe route 159 will be curtailed at Oxford Circus in time to release a couple of spares to TF as route 267 back-up?
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Post by rif153 on Jun 30, 2019 12:41:54 GMT
There's plenty of surplus LTs across the TFL fleet - perhaps the 267 could simply gain 1-2 additional spares? Oh yes, and maybe route 159 will be curtailed at Oxford Circus in time to release a couple of spares to TF as route 267 back-up? I would have thought the LTs released from the 159s cutback would go to the 415 to continue its slow conversion to LTs but I guess its possible that the 267 gets the LTs released. Its more important to keep the 267 fully double decker than it is to convert the 415 to LTs
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 30, 2019 12:42:19 GMT
If I understand Abellio route allocations correctly, it seems that by July 27th all the Uxbridge routes will run from WS and all the Ealing / Southall routes not serving Uxbridge will run from GW.
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Post by rhys on Jun 30, 2019 12:45:49 GMT
Oh yes, and maybe route 159 will be curtailed at Oxford Circus in time to release a couple of spares to TF as route 267 back-up? I would have thought the LTs released from the 159s cutback would go to the 415 to continue its slow conversion to LTs but I guess its possible that the 267 gets the LTs released. Its more important to keep the 267 fully double decker than it is to convert the 415 to LTs I can imagine it'll still be a priority to convert the 415 to 100% LT after the 159's cut. If there are any extra buses TF need, Abellio always can lend an LT over from WL or QB, like they have done in the past, and continue to do, to keep the LT routes 100% LT.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 30, 2019 12:47:10 GMT
If I understand Abellio route allocations correctly, it seems that by July 27th all the Uxbridge routes will run from WS and all the Ealing / Southall routes not serving Uxbridge will run from GW. All the E routes Abellio have are moving into GW. Its still unclear whether the 207 is staying at WS or moving into GW - I think Abellio should move the 207 into GW but the late night journeys and N207 should be crosslinked with either the 427 or U5, having a route which releases space at night would be beneficial to a small garage like WS and should allow them to accomodate the 195, 350, and U5. The 195 and H28 could both stay at TF if space at WS is going to be problematic.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 30, 2019 13:01:44 GMT
Oh yes, and maybe route 159 will be curtailed at Oxford Circus in time to release a couple of spares to TF as route 267 back-up? I would have thought the LTs released from the 159s cutback would go to the 415 to continue its slow conversion to LTs but I guess its possible that the 267 gets the LTs released. Its more important to keep the 267 fully double decker than it is to convert the 415 to LTs Extra spare LTs for the 267 wouldn't necessarily have to come from within the Abellio fleet. Other operators may have surplus LTs than required.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 30, 2019 13:06:31 GMT
If I understand Abellio route allocations correctly, it seems that by July 27th all the Uxbridge routes will run from WS and all the Ealing / Southall routes not serving Uxbridge will run from GW. All the E routes Abellio have are moving into GW. Its still unclear whether the 207 is staying at WS or moving into GW - I think Abellio should move the 207 into GW but the late night journeys and N207 should be crosslinked with either the 427 or U5, having a route which releases space at night would be beneficial to a small garage like WS and should allow them to accomodate the 195, 350, and U5. The 195 and H28 could both stay at TF if space at WS is going to be problematic. Allocation plans may have since changed, or Abellio may be phasing transfers into GW, but these were the original intended allocations: GW - 195 207 E1 E5 E7 E9 E10 E11 WS - 350 427 H28 U5 U7 U9 N207 TF - 267 290 481 490 H20 H25 H26 K1 R68 R70
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Post by rif153 on Jun 30, 2019 13:06:35 GMT
I would have thought the LTs released from the 159s cutback would go to the 415 to continue its slow conversion to LTs but I guess its possible that the 267 gets the LTs released. Its more important to keep the 267 fully double decker than it is to convert the 415 to LTs Extra spare LTs for the 267 wouldn't necessarily have to come from within the Abellio fleet. Other operators may have surplus LTs than required. Indeed. Haven't some RATP LTs transfer to Metroline in the past?
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Post by rif153 on Jun 30, 2019 13:07:38 GMT
All the E routes Abellio have are moving into GW. Its still unclear whether the 207 is staying at WS or moving into GW - I think Abellio should move the 207 into GW but the late night journeys and N207 should be crosslinked with either the 427 or U5, having a route which releases space at night would be beneficial to a small garage like WS and should allow them to accomodate the 195, 350, and U5. The 195 and H28 could both stay at TF if space at WS is going to be problematic. Allocation plans may have since changed, or Abellio may be phasing transfers into GW, but these were the original intended allocations: GW - 195 207 E1 E5 E7 E9 E10 E11 WS - 350 427 H28 U5 U7 U9 N207 TF - 267 290 481 490 H20 H25 H26 K1 R68 R70 What about the N207? GW?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 30, 2019 13:12:50 GMT
All the E routes Abellio have are moving into GW. Its still unclear whether the 207 is staying at WS or moving into GW - I think Abellio should move the 207 into GW but the late night journeys and N207 should be crosslinked with either the 427 or U5, having a route which releases space at night would be beneficial to a small garage like WS and should allow them to accomodate the 195, 350, and U5. The 195 and H28 could both stay at TF if space at WS is going to be problematic. Allocation plans may have since changed, or Abellio may be phasing transfers into GW, but these were the original intended allocations: GW - 195 207 E1 E5 E7 E9 E10 E11 WS - 350 427 H28 U5 U7 U9 N207 TF - 267 290 481 490 H20 H25 H26 K1 R68 R70 These are probably the best Abellio garages for each route in question. I understand that GW will be on the former AEC site. I remember in the 80s being able to see a view of dumped buses when riding on the GWML. I hope we shall be able to see the Abellio base from the train.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 30, 2019 13:14:49 GMT
Allocation plans may have since changed, or Abellio may be phasing transfers into GW, but these were the original intended allocations: GW - 195 207 E1 E5 E7 E9 E10 E11 WS - 350 427 H28 U5 U7 U9 N207 TF - 267 290 481 490 H20 H25 H26 K1 R68 R70 These are probably the best Abellio garages for each route in question. I understand that GW will be on the former AEC site. I remember in the 80s being able to see a view of dumped buses when riding on the GWML. I hope we shall be able to see the Abellio base from the train. When all the E buses go to GW, I wonder if Abellio will reduce their reliance on ferries because of the 92 and 282 linking GW to Greenford for changeovers. Most likely they'll still use ferries rather than relying on buses
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 30, 2019 13:17:22 GMT
These are probably the best Abellio garages for each route in question. I understand that GW will be on the former AEC site. I remember in the 80s being able to see a view of dumped buses when riding on the GWML. I hope we shall be able to see the Abellio base from the train. When all the E buses go to GW, I wonder if Abellio will reduce their reliance on ferries because of the 92 and 282 linking GW to Greenford for changeovers. Most likely they'll still use ferries rather than relying on buses For GW routes other than the E5, drivers will soon be able to use the frequent 483 for changeovers at Ealing Broadway, once the 483 is extended to the industrial estate where GW is.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 30, 2019 13:20:13 GMT
Allocation plans may have since changed, or Abellio may be phasing transfers into GW, but these were the original intended allocations: GW - 195 207 E1 E5 E7 E9 E10 E11 WS - 350 427 H28 U5 U7 U9 N207 TF - 267 290 481 490 H20 H25 H26 K1 R68 R70 What about the N207? GW? As mentioned above, the N207 would be run from WS in this plan. The N207 would possibly be interlinked with the 427 (e.g. similar to the 5 and N15), I think this is due to the 427 having a fully hybrid allocation (ULEZ compliant), though could also be to create more space at WS by having a night route.
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