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Post by redexpress on Aug 24, 2019 14:01:09 GMT
That's a massive understatement Oh really didn't realise it was that bad. Hopefully the next tenders for the 371 amd 490 will be awarded with double deckers. I believe there are local objections to a full DD conversion of the 371. Residents already complain when there are more than the usual number of DDs on the route - indeed at one time LU were under instructions to restrict DDs to just the specified DD workings. That seems to have been quietly forgotten after a while
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Post by E279 on Aug 24, 2019 14:03:50 GMT
Oh really didn't realise it was that bad. Hopefully the next tenders for the 371 amd 490 will be awarded with double deckers. I believe there are local objections to a full DD conversion of the 371. Residents already complain when there are more than the usual number of DDs on the route - indeed at one time LU were under instructions to restrict DDs to just the specified DD workings. That seems to have been quietly forgotten after a while Until the locals want to complain about it again.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 24, 2019 14:08:15 GMT
Oh really didn't realise it was that bad. Hopefully the next tenders for the 371 amd 490 will be awarded with double deckers. Now that one of the Enviro 400s at BC is no longer needed, I think it'd do well at TF. It could be used on the 490 during the peaks, especially to hoover up the loads the 490 picks up at Richmond during the PM peak. I think the 407 was decked due to polticial pressure from the Lib Dems in Croydon/Sutton who from a few searches of google do seem to care about buses, they successfully campaigned against cutting the 154 back, and unsuccessfully lobbied to introduce at stop at Brixton on the X68. Instead of lobbying for the X68 to stop at Brixton, it would of been more beneficial if they lobbied for the merging of the 312 & 412 to create a Norwood Junction to Purley route. Councillors previously dismissed this idea but yet it makes so much sense. Don’t get me wrong, no doubt the X68 would be used from Brixton but it’s not really a priority for us Brixton residents and I’ve not heard anything from Lambeth or Lambeth Lib Dem’s though both are equally hopeless on transport issues as there was absolutely nothing from them on the Central London cuts or frequency cuts across the borough.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 24, 2019 14:16:08 GMT
Now that one of the Enviro 400s at BC is no longer needed, I think it'd do well at TF. It could be used on the 490 during the peaks, especially to hoover up the loads the 490 picks up at Richmond during the PM peak. I think the 407 was decked due to polticial pressure from the Lib Dems in Croydon/Sutton who from a few searches of google do seem to care about buses, they successfully campaigned against cutting the 154 back, and unsuccessfully lobbied to introduce at stop at Brixton on the X68. Instead of lobbying for the X68 to stop at Brixton, it would of been more beneficial if they lobbied for the merging of the 312 & 412 to create a Norwood Junction to Purley route. Councillors previously dismissed this idea but yet it makes so much sense. Don’t get me wrong, no doubt the X68 would be used from Brixton but it’s not really a priority for us Brixton residents and I’ve not heard anything from Lambeth or Lambeth Lib Dem’s though both are equally hopeless on transport issues as there was absolutely nothing from them on the Central London cuts or frequency cuts across the borough. I think an X68 stop at Brixton could work if it were pick up only southbound, and set down only northbound. The issue with an X68 stop at Brixton would be immense pressure that would be on the X68, as commuters would abandon the 59 for a faster service. The main issue with the X68 stop at Brixton is really a loss of flexibility. Now the 412 is to be hacked back to Central Croydon, merging the 312/412 looks like a good idea because at least a link to rail services is maintained for 412 passengers, albeit at East Croydon.
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Post by 725DYE on Aug 24, 2019 16:52:20 GMT
Oh really didn't realise it was that bad. Hopefully the next tenders for the 371 amd 490 will be awarded with double deckers. Now that one of the Enviro 400s at BC is no longer needed, I think it'd do well at TF. It could be used on the 490 during the peaks, especially to hoover up the loads the 490 picks up at Richmond during the PM peak. I think the 407 was decked due to polticial pressure from the Lib Dems in Croydon/Sutton who from a few searches of google do seem to care about buses, they successfully campaigned against cutting the 154 back, and unsuccessfully lobbied to introduce at stop at Brixton on the X68. Tom Brake MP is quite frankly a little delusional about some of his propositions. I got a leaflet through the door not too long ago concerning making the 151 a 24 hour route which is honestly a waste of time. The 154 campaign was certainly worth while as it makes connections to Morden on the night tube, although I'd have personally been in favour of the 157 being given the treatment instead as it too connects to Morden, as well as linking more hospitals which would allow for workers to get to their jobs more easily during the night. All of this "lets upgrade as many routes to 24 hour operation" attitude is now wearing a bit thin. I think it would be better to campaign for a more direct link from his home town of Wallington (especially from the town centre) to Sutton, as well as links to Banstead and Epsom which have the possibility for considerable demand* [*] I am under no illusion that this would ever come into action, especially considering TFL's shoe string budget of recent
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Post by george on Aug 25, 2019 22:25:44 GMT
I know it's bank holiday so it's to be expected but saw a few 490s this Evening and all were packed, I know it might be getting boring keep saying this but I don't know how this route didn't get double deckers, it makes it worse that route can actually take double deckers as well.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 26, 2019 21:58:07 GMT
GW allocations are quite interesting. They've been a lot more flexible than I was expecting, however, I'm quite enjoying the 14-reg E400Hs on the 207 which are allocated to the E1 (2444-51) meanwhile the E1 is often lumbered with the boring 12-reg E400s. Unsurprisingly, there E5/E10/E11 are sharing a common user pool of the one-door Enviro 200 MMCs. I have to say, I'm really liking GW's flexible allocations as they make Abellio's West London routes far more interesting On a semi-relevant note, now that route 278 is starting out with Abellio earlier than expected, this all looks like a shot in the arm in favour of a visit to the area around late summer next year. Route 282 will be good with refurbished TEHs, and I should have a clearer idea about timing once the route 331 tender is announced.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 26, 2019 22:00:59 GMT
GW allocations are quite interesting. They've been a lot more flexible than I was expecting, however, I'm quite enjoying the 14-reg E400Hs on the 207 which are allocated to the E1 (2444-51) meanwhile the E1 is often lumbered with the boring 12-reg E400s. Unsurprisingly, there E5/E10/E11 are sharing a common user pool of the one-door Enviro 200 MMCs. I have to say, I'm really liking GW's flexible allocations as they make Abellio's West London routes far more interesting On a semi-relevant note, now that route 278 is starting out with Abellio earlier than expected, this all looks like a shot in the arm in favour of a visit to the area around late summer next year. Route 282 will be good with refurbished TEHs, and I should have a clearer idea about timing once the route 331 tender is announced. I hope you enjoy your trip to my neck of the woods.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 26, 2019 22:04:17 GMT
I stopped off at Clapham Junction last night on the way to my London hotel from Bristol (via SWR not GWR). Anyway, I was shocked that 2421 on route C3 had not been refurbished. I did like the view of QB from my London Overground train though.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 26, 2019 22:13:19 GMT
I stopped off at Clapham Junction last night on the way to my London hotel from Bristol (via SWR not GWR). Anyway, I was shocked that 2421 on route C3 had not been refurbished. I did like the view of QB from my London Overground train though. The 61reg E40Hs should be undergoing refurbishment now. I believe the ones which transferred to BC have now been refurbished.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 27, 2019 8:14:17 GMT
I stopped off at Clapham Junction last night on the way to my London hotel from Bristol (via SWR not GWR). Anyway, I was shocked that 2421 on route C3 had not been refurbished. I did like the view of QB from my London Overground train though. The 61reg E40Hs should be undergoing refurbishment now. I believe the ones which transferred to BC have now been refurbished. Not all are being refurbished, only the very low numbered ones for the 407 and the highest numbered ones, them done a good while back, for the 381/N381. The ones in between are not scheduled for any refurbishments, simply reallocated from the 3/N3 due to LT conversion
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Post by george on Aug 27, 2019 8:15:48 GMT
The 61reg E40Hs should be undergoing refurbishment now. I believe the ones which transferred to BC have now been refurbished. Not all are being refurbished, only the very low numbered ones for the 407 and the highest numbered ones, them done a good while back, for the 381. The ones in between are not scheduled for any refurbishment. Probably no point in refurbishment until they know the result of the C3
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Post by M1104 on Aug 27, 2019 8:25:11 GMT
Not all are being refurbished, only the very low numbered ones for the 407 and the highest numbered ones, them done a good while back, for the 381. The ones in between are not scheduled for any refurbishment. Probably no point in refurbishment until they know the result of the C3 There's also the age of those buses to consider as they will be over eight years old by then, usually too old by TfL's definition. However they could still be utilised within the fleet by for example allocating them to the 49¹ for the remainder of that contract, releasing 14/64 reg hybrids for a possible new contract on the C3. ¹ - which I believe is now on its two-year extension
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Post by vjaska on Aug 27, 2019 9:47:38 GMT
Probably no point in refurbishment until they know the result of the C3 There's also the age of those buses to consider as they will be over eight years old by then, usually too old by TfL's definition. However they could still be utilised within the fleet by for example allocating them to the 49¹ for the remainder of that contract, releasing 14/64 reg hybrids for a possible new contract on the C3. ¹ - which I believe is now on its two-year extension The C3 already has 14 reg hybrids which were new to the route. The 61 reg at WL are allocated to the 344.
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Post by portman227 on Aug 27, 2019 14:27:01 GMT
since the 407 is now double decked, does that mean that 8522-6 do not have a home and will be leaving BC? Not sure where else they can go
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