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Post by 700101 on Jan 30, 2024 20:43:29 GMT
These are only likely to be 2tph to Crystal Palace & 2tph to West Croydon during the LO Core block, as there is no way to path 8tph to/from London Bridge as when Southern divert the Victoria services to LBG the Victoria via Crystal Palace and Epsom via West Croydon services are withdrawn (Compensated by Dorking/Horsham via Sutton) and Caterham & Tattenham Corner are diverted all stations via Tulse Hill (replaces East Croydon via Tulse Hill) and TL early morning Sunday services have to spin in the High Level platforms
Im not to sure but I’m gathering these will be the first LO East London Line services to be CD/RA dispatched (subject to local agreement between Southern & LO)
Also the 2tph London Bridge - Crystal Palace peaks will likely only be “temporary” until the LO Core is upgraded (electricity supply etc) as long term LO want to run 20tph during peaks on there Core section or Southern get additional stock to run more peak services via the Sydenham slow corridor but when this does “finally” happen hopefully LO can keep up route knowledge to/from LBG so they can run there when the Core is blocked
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 30, 2024 23:18:50 GMT
It did seem a bit hasty to me removing all the 455s. They pretty much provided all the LB to Beckenham Junction/East Croydon stoppers aswell as a large amount of the Victoria to Sutton/Epsom Downs via Norbury services. At the time I thought that seemed a lot of trains to replace with nothing new to replace them. They were coming to the end of their lease on 31 March and I believe Eversholt wouldn't provide an extension to the current lease and GTR didn't want to enter into a new lease. Hence they adjusted the timetables they ran from 29 April with short-formed services until then. The last part of your post isn't quite true - the cuts to formations started with the May 2022 timetable change when the 455's were withdrawn, so certain service groups were short formed to make up for the shortfall of stock. A subsequent timetable change in September 2022 then saw services reduced to the levels they are at now. Things are starting to improve from June 2024 but it starts with the West Coastway timetable recast which will be going ahead. I've heard murmurings of further enhancements for Southern potentially coming with the December timetable but that's still very much up in the air - and also subject to the DfT getting their act together. There's lots they theoretically COULD have done, ie getting 377/5s from Southeastern but all ideas of getting new rolling stock have been rejected (aside from 377163 and 164 returning back) That’s exactly what was rumoured at one point and would of made a lot of sense given Southeastern had surplus 465’s to replace them with Sadly the DfT don't know the meaning of the word sense when it comes to looking after the railway, nor do they know that service cuts = less passengers likely to return to the railway post COVID and therefore less revenue being generated. Had we had a scenario where 379's went to Great Northern, the same number of 387's went to Southern and the 377/5's returned to Southern then both 455 and 313 fleets would have been replaced with little to no need for the service cuts we saw in September 2022, but the DfT clearly thought otherwise. The good news however is that there is more stock on the way for Southern over the course of the June timetable, but whether it is going to actually increase capacity remains to be seen, and it's being prioritised for the West Coastway recast for now. Whilst there's no planned service increases on the metro just yet, London Overground proposing to run into London Bridge may change the picture a bit... In an ideal world, I would have kept the 455's running until stock cascades had actually been finalised and were being put into place rather than the rather shambolic situation we find ourselves in now, and I feel others may share the same view. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 30, 2024 23:25:08 GMT
These are only likely to be 2tph to Crystal Palace & 2tph to West Croydon during the LO Core block, as there is no way to path 8tph to/from London Bridge as when Southern divert the Victoria services to LBG the Victoria via Crystal Palace and Epsom via West Croydon services are withdrawn (Compensated by Dorking/Horsham via Sutton) and Caterham & Tattenham Corner are diverted all stations via Tulse Hill (replaces East Croydon via Tulse Hill) and TL early morning Sunday services have to spin in the High Level platforms Im not to sure but I’m gathering these will be the first LO East London Line services to be CD/RA dispatched (subject to local agreement between Southern & LO) Also the 2tph London Bridge - Crystal Palace peaks will likely only be “temporary” until the LO Core is upgraded (electricity supply etc) as long term LO want to run 20tph during peaks on there Core section or Southern get additional stock to run more peak services via the Sydenham slow corridor but when this does “finally” happen hopefully LO can keep up route knowledge to/from LBG so they can run there when the Core is blocked Luckily on Easter Sunday only one Southern service group is running into London Bridge all day (the 2J London Bridge to East Croydon - extended to South Croydon due to engineering work closing the slow lines south of there) along with the early morning Thameslinks. Due to the aforementioned engineering work taking out Caterham and Tattenham Corner and Streatham Hill to Crystal Palace also being closed on Easter Sunday, the London Bridge to Caterham and Victoria services are not running so it's been pretty easy to fit London Overground into London Bridge on this occasion. I didn't realise the East London Line core is being upgraded so that they could run 20tph through there though. London Overground would not divert to London Bridge when the East London Line closure takes place at the same time as a Victoria closure, it's highly unlikely for both those blocks to take place on those weekends otherwise there just wouldn't be the capacity to fit diverted Southern and London Overground trains. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 31, 2024 0:13:20 GMT
They were coming to the end of their lease on 31 March and I believe Eversholt wouldn't provide an extension to the current lease and GTR didn't want to enter into a new lease. Hence they adjusted the timetables they ran from 29 April with short-formed services until then. The last part of your post isn't quite true - the cuts to formations started with the May 2022 timetable change when the 455's were withdrawn, so certain service groups were short formed to make up for the shortfall of stock. A subsequent timetable change in September 2022 then saw services reduced to the levels they are at now. Things are starting to improve from June 2024 but it starts with the West Coastway timetable recast which will be going ahead. I've heard murmurings of further enhancements for Southern potentially coming with the December timetable but that's still very much up in the air - and also subject to the DfT getting their act together. That’s exactly what was rumoured at one point and would of made a lot of sense given Southeastern had surplus 465’s to replace them with Sadly the DfT don't know the meaning of the word sense when it comes to looking after the railway, nor do they know that service cuts = less passengers likely to return to the railway post COVID and therefore less revenue being generated. Had we had a scenario where 379's went to Great Northern, the same number of 387's went to Southern and the 377/5's returned to Southern then both 455 and 313 fleets would have been replaced with little to no need for the service cuts we saw in September 2022, but the DfT clearly thought otherwise. The good news however is that there is more stock on the way for Southern over the course of the June timetable, but whether it is going to actually increase capacity remains to be seen, and it's being prioritised for the West Coastway recast for now. Whilst there's no planned service increases on the metro just yet, London Overground proposing to run into London Bridge may change the picture a bit... In an ideal world, I would have kept the 455's running until stock cascades had actually been finalised and were being put into place rather than the rather shambolic situation we find ourselves in now, and I feel others may share the same view. Completely agree, DfT couldn't even run a tap let alone the railways! I'm am glad the West Coastway is getting some enhancements especially after the limited GWR service was pulled back to Portsmouth - that service was busy from Brighton despite only doing a handful of trips between Brighton & Bristol and the Southern services, particularly the Portsmouth to Brighton runs, are extremely busy too. |
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Post by greenboy on Jan 31, 2024 9:12:31 GMT
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Post by kmkcheng on Feb 3, 2024 3:30:43 GMT
Any reason why Southern won’t be running a service into London Bridge on Easter Sunday but LO will instead?
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 3, 2024 7:57:22 GMT
Any reason why Southern won’t be running a service into London Bridge on Easter Sunday but LO will instead? Engineering works |
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Post by kmkcheng on Feb 3, 2024 9:07:41 GMT
Any reason why Southern won’t be running a service into London Bridge on Easter Sunday but LO will instead? Engineering works I know it’s engineering works. I mean how can LO provide a service into London Bridge but Southern can’t? Does LO have access to some special track that isn’t blocked that Southern can’t access? |
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 3, 2024 14:10:07 GMT
I know it’s engineering works. I mean how can LO provide a service into London Bridge but Southern can’t? Does LO have access to some special track that isn’t blocked that Southern can’t access? Could be the "express" tracks that Southern use that is being looked at |
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Post by PGAT on Feb 3, 2024 16:50:23 GMT
I'm guessing a shortage of drivers? They wouldn't bother wasting resources going to London Bridge if they know LO can go there instead
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 3, 2024 22:44:59 GMT
Since this is a trial run, it won't be available for passengers?
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Post by PGAT on Feb 4, 2024 12:27:36 GMT
Since this is a trial run, it won't be available for passengers? The run on the 25th February is a trial run, but passengers can use it on Easter Sunday |
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Post by PGAT on Feb 25, 2024 15:14:01 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 26, 2024 17:55:23 GMT
The trial run duly took place on Sunday 25th February. The purpose of the trial was to ensure that the London Overground 378 units could operate into London Bridge without any unexpected problems. Tests also took place to ensure the gaps between the train doors and platform were within gauge, and that the accessibility ramps used at London Bridge would fit the train correctly. Although the tests had a serious purpose the atmosphere was quite jovial, with several London Overground staff posing for souvenir photos and with enthusiasts also being welcomed to record the occasion. There also seemed to be a suspiciously large number of staff present in hi-vis to oversee the proceedings! The train was present for around half-an-hour and departed after the tests had concluded successfully. London Overground will operate two trains an hour between West Croydon and London Bridge from around 09.30 to 23.00 on Easter Sunday, 31st March. www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/london-overground-train-makes-rare-diversion-to-london-bridge-station-70513/ |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 15, 2024 6:00:43 GMT
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