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Post by DT 11 on Oct 20, 2018 22:09:54 GMT
This would only be required for a improved schedule or route alteration. PVRs do not get increased for no reason OK I give up - I could say anything and you would find fault with anything I post. Maybe I am looking at things wrong but the network has never seen cuts like its about to see and no one has a crystal ball to see what the future holds. I was simply saying if huge numbers of passengers and left behind something would need to be done and could mean restoring PVRs to current levels.
Overall I’ve not found any fault, as you seem to always think. Your right and it’s because there is no money hence the cutting of services. I don’t think any of the cut PVRs would be restored for now as this defeats the objective of what TFL are attempting to do. Overall some Central London service changes makes sense. Non Central London should be left alone.
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Post by Trident on Oct 22, 2018 16:12:02 GMT
A quick summary of all the recent orders of new buses so far: Abellio: 5 new ADL E400 MMC Smart Hybrids for the 207. CT Plus: 9 new ADL E400H Citys for the 20. Tower Transit: 1 new 9.7m Wright Streetlite for the 339 as a top up.
4 new 10.8m Wright Streetlite for the 228. 28 new Wright Streetdeck Hybrids for the 25 (Possibly ordered for the 262 & 473 instead).
This throws up more questions than it answers: 207 - 5 new hybrids (2619-2623 being MMC's of course), 2401-2413 & 9524-9536 make 31 which meets the new TVR so nothing to add here 20 - 9 new Citys leaves 2 buses coming from the 388 to meet the TVR of 11 339 - presumably receiving a +1 PVR increase as it already has 13 vehicles for a PVR of 11 (extra spare due to being the only 9.3m/9.6m route at LI) also presume a new PVR of 12? 228 - 4 new WV's + the 3 spare WV's from the 236's PVR decrease leaves another 3 buses to be sourced from somewhere 25 - 28 new Streetdecks is an odd number given the 25's final TVR is to be 35 so presume the 25 will either still have VN's or an existing LI hybrid route will gain a part diesel allocation The 339 Streetlite is for the Olympic Park rerouting and the consequential PVR increase. The rerouting adds a few minutes of running time which means the extra bus is required. The Streetdecks were ordered for the 262/473 and are contractually allocated to them, but due to the upcoming ULEZ these will be used on the 25 alongside the 7 MVs to meet the TVR. And where do the 7 MVs come from? The 328 reduction releases 5 VHs over to HO. The reduction on the 58 (-2) plus 5 MVs (308) will be utilised on the 25. Once the 262 & 473 start, VNs will be used on them. All 6 existing WVs for the 228 will be coming from the 236. These will be replaced by buses made free from recent service reductions across some single decker routes at HO.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 22, 2018 16:25:47 GMT
This throws up more questions than it answers: 207 - 5 new hybrids (2619-2623 being MMC's of course), 2401-2413 & 9524-9536 make 31 which meets the new TVR so nothing to add here 20 - 9 new Citys leaves 2 buses coming from the 388 to meet the TVR of 11 339 - presumably receiving a +1 PVR increase as it already has 13 vehicles for a PVR of 11 (extra spare due to being the only 9.3m/9.6m route at LI) also presume a new PVR of 12? 228 - 4 new WV's + the 3 spare WV's from the 236's PVR decrease leaves another 3 buses to be sourced from somewhere 25 - 28 new Streetdecks is an odd number given the 25's final TVR is to be 35 so presume the 25 will either still have VN's or an existing LI hybrid route will gain a part diesel allocation The 339 Streetlite is for the Olympic Park rerouting and the consequential PVR increase. The rerouting adds a few minutes of running time which means the extra bus is required. The Streetdecks were ordered for the 262/473 and are contractually allocated to them, but due to the upcoming ULEZ these will be used on the 25 alongside the 7 MVs to meet the TVR. And where do the 7 MVs come from? The 328 reduction releases 5 VHs over to HO. The reduction on the 58 (-2) plus 5 MVs (308) will be utilised on the 25. Once the 262 & 473 start, VNs will be used on them. All 6 existing WVs for the 228 will be coming from the 236. These will be replaced by buses made free from recent service reductions across some single decker routes at HO. Am I right in assuming the 308 will get the VHs made free from X in order to allow the MVs on the 25?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 16:39:42 GMT
This throws up more questions than it answers: 207 - 5 new hybrids (2619-2623 being MMC's of course), 2401-2413 & 9524-9536 make 31 which meets the new TVR so nothing to add here 20 - 9 new Citys leaves 2 buses coming from the 388 to meet the TVR of 11 339 - presumably receiving a +1 PVR increase as it already has 13 vehicles for a PVR of 11 (extra spare due to being the only 9.3m/9.6m route at LI) also presume a new PVR of 12? 228 - 4 new WV's + the 3 spare WV's from the 236's PVR decrease leaves another 3 buses to be sourced from somewhere 25 - 28 new Streetdecks is an odd number given the 25's final TVR is to be 35 so presume the 25 will either still have VN's or an existing LI hybrid route will gain a part diesel allocation The 339 Streetlite is for the Olympic Park rerouting and the consequential PVR increase. The rerouting adds a few minutes of running time which means the extra bus is required. The Streetdecks were ordered for the 262/473 and are contractually allocated to them, but due to the upcoming ULEZ these will be used on the 25 alongside the 7 MVs to meet the TVR. And where do the 7 MVs come from? The 328 reduction releases 5 VHs over to HO. The reduction on the 58 (-2) plus 5 MVs (308) will be utilised on the 25. Once the 262 & 473 start, VNs will be used on them. All 6 existing WVs for the 228 will be coming from the 236. These will be replaced by buses made free from recent service reductions across some single decker routes at HO. A shame the 262 and 473 don't get its intended buses (For now) but those comfy seats on the VNs will be a huge upgrade on the Scania's!
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 22, 2018 16:58:59 GMT
I'd be quite happy to have the VNs on the 262 and 473 for the whole contract. Good buses and like said have a really comfy seats.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 22, 2018 17:37:03 GMT
The 339 Streetlite is for the Olympic Park rerouting and the consequential PVR increase. The rerouting adds a few minutes of running time which means the extra bus is required. The Streetdecks were ordered for the 262/473 and are contractually allocated to them, but due to the upcoming ULEZ these will be used on the 25 alongside the 7 MVs to meet the TVR. And where do the 7 MVs come from? The 328 reduction releases 5 VHs over to HO. The reduction on the 58 (-2) plus 5 MVs (308) will be utilised on the 25. Once the 262 & 473 start, VNs will be used on them. All 6 existing WVs for the 228 will be coming from the 236. These will be replaced by buses made free from recent service reductions across some single decker routes at HO. A shame the 262 and 473 don't get its intended buses (For now) but those comfy seats on the VNs will be a huge upgrade on the Scania's! Seeing as those Streetdecks are the intended buses I'm quite happy they've ended up with the VNs. Even though the VNs were almost done for by the end of the 25s old contract a refurb has made them very good. Looking forward to seeing them down the North Circular
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Post by vjaska on Oct 22, 2018 18:24:22 GMT
This throws up more questions than it answers: 207 - 5 new hybrids (2619-2623 being MMC's of course), 2401-2413 & 9524-9536 make 31 which meets the new TVR so nothing to add here 20 - 9 new Citys leaves 2 buses coming from the 388 to meet the TVR of 11 339 - presumably receiving a +1 PVR increase as it already has 13 vehicles for a PVR of 11 (extra spare due to being the only 9.3m/9.6m route at LI) also presume a new PVR of 12? 228 - 4 new WV's + the 3 spare WV's from the 236's PVR decrease leaves another 3 buses to be sourced from somewhere 25 - 28 new Streetdecks is an odd number given the 25's final TVR is to be 35 so presume the 25 will either still have VN's or an existing LI hybrid route will gain a part diesel allocation The 339 Streetlite is for the Olympic Park rerouting and the consequential PVR increase. The rerouting adds a few minutes of running time which means the extra bus is required. The Streetdecks were ordered for the 262/473 and are contractually allocated to them, but due to the upcoming ULEZ these will be used on the 25 alongside the 7 MVs to meet the TVR. And where do the 7 MVs come from? The 328 reduction releases 5 VHs over to HO. The reduction on the 58 (-2) plus 5 MVs (308) will be utilised on the 25. Once the 262 & 473 start, VNs will be used on them. All 6 existing WVs for the 228 will be coming from the 236. These will be replaced by buses made free from recent service reductions across some single decker routes at HO. Cheers for confirming, much appreciated.
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Post by 15002 on Oct 22, 2018 19:36:50 GMT
The 339 Streetlite is for the Olympic Park rerouting and the consequential PVR increase. The rerouting adds a few minutes of running time which means the extra bus is required. The Streetdecks were ordered for the 262/473 and are contractually allocated to them, but due to the upcoming ULEZ these will be used on the 25 alongside the 7 MVs to meet the TVR. And where do the 7 MVs come from? The 328 reduction releases 5 VHs over to HO. The reduction on the 58 (-2) plus 5 MVs (308) will be utilised on the 25. Once the 262 & 473 start, VNs will be used on them. All 6 existing WVs for the 228 will be coming from the 236. These will be replaced by buses made free from recent service reductions across some single decker routes at HO. A shame the 262 and 473 don't get its intended buses (For now) but those comfy seats on the VNs will be a huge upgrade on the Scania's! I kind of agree but disagree at the same time. I agree since the 262 is robbed off new buses once more, and it would’ve been nice to ride on a new bus for the 473. But at the same time, I’m really happy that the 25 is getting new buses, with a mixture of Micro Hybrids and Hybrids at that.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 22, 2018 19:40:29 GMT
A shame the 262 and 473 don't get its intended buses (For now) but those comfy seats on the VNs will be a huge upgrade on the Scania's! I kind of agree but disagree at the same time. I agree since the 262 is robbed off new buses once more, and it would’ve been nice to ride on a new bus for the 473. But at the same time, I’m really happy that the 25 is getting new buses, with a mixture of Micro Hybrids and Hybrids at that. Aren't these Streetdev HEVs full hybrids, rather than micro hybrids? Are micro hybrids even allowed in the ULEZ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 19:42:10 GMT
A shame the 262 and 473 don't get its intended buses (For now) but those comfy seats on the VNs will be a huge upgrade on the Scania's! I kind of agree but disagree at the same time. I agree since the 262 is robbed off new buses once more, and it would’ve been nice to ride on a new bus for the 473. But at the same time, I’m really happy that the 25 is getting new buses, with a mixture of Micro Hybrids and Hybrids at that. I agree its good the 25 is finally getting hybrids!
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Post by 15002 on Oct 22, 2018 19:44:42 GMT
I kind of agree but disagree at the same time. I agree since the 262 is robbed off new buses once more, and it would’ve been nice to ride on a new bus for the 473. But at the same time, I’m really happy that the 25 is getting new buses, with a mixture of Micro Hybrids and Hybrids at that. Aren't these Streetdev HEVs full hybrids, rather than micro hybrids? Are micro hybrids even allowed in the ULEZ? I thought only the Arriva ones were gonna be HEVs, but you could very well be right that the StreetDecks are going to be hybrid.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 22, 2018 21:20:46 GMT
Aren't these Streetdev HEVs full hybrids, rather than micro hybrids? Are micro hybrids even allowed in the ULEZ? I thought only the Arriva ones were gonna be HEVs, but you could very well be right that the StreetDecks are going to be hybrid. The original quote on this thread on new orders (from LOTS) did state HEVs for the 25. And Arriva are only getting one streetdeck (HW1), which is a demonstrator. I think RATP's WH on the 18 might also be a HEV.
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Post by cl54 on Nov 2, 2018 17:38:03 GMT
One of the new Optare electric double deckers for Metroline was displayed at the Bus Expo at the NEC this week.
Looked good.
Claims to be the lightest double decker currently available.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 2, 2018 17:40:32 GMT
One of the new Optare electric double deckers for Metroline was displayed at the Bus Expo at the NEC this week. Looked good. Claims to be the lightest double decker currently available. The one on display at the NEC actually looked like to be the bus trialled on the 23 and 36 which just had a Metroline logo and Metroline blinds slapped in. Conveniently a few days before the expo it was seen on a Low Loader leaving London.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 17:59:14 GMT
One of the new Optare electric double deckers for Metroline was displayed at the Bus Expo at the NEC this week. Looked good. Claims to be the lightest double decker currently available. The one on display at the NEC actually looked like to be the bus trialled on the 23 and 36 which just had a Metroline logo and Metroline blinds slapped in. Conveniently a few days before the expo it was seen on a Low Loader leaving London. There was one key difference that I picked up on proving they are different buses. The one from the 23 and 36 had blue seats, whereas the one on display has red seats...
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