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Post by vjaska on Oct 19, 2018 23:48:35 GMT
A quick summary of all the recent orders of new buses so far: Abellio: 5 new ADL E400 MMC Smart Hybrids for the 207. CT Plus: 9 new ADL E400H Citys for the 20. Tower Transit: 1 new 9.7m Wright Streetlite for the 339 as a top up.
4 new 10.8m Wright Streetlite for the 228. 28 new Wright Streetdeck Hybrids for the 25 (Possibly ordered for the 262 & 473 instead).
This throws up more questions than it answers: 207 - 5 new hybrids (2619-2623 being MMC's of course), 2401-2413 & 9524-9536 make 31 which meets the new TVR so nothing to add here 20 - 9 new Citys leaves 2 buses coming from the 388 to meet the TVR of 11 339 - presumably receiving a +1 PVR increase as it already has 13 vehicles for a PVR of 11 (extra spare due to being the only 9.3m/9.6m route at LI) also presume a new PVR of 12? 228 - 4 new WV's + the 3 spare WV's from the 236's PVR decrease leaves another 3 buses to be sourced from somewhere 25 - 28 new Streetdecks is an odd number given the 25's final TVR is to be 35 so presume the 25 will either still have VN's or an existing LI hybrid route will gain a part diesel allocation
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Post by M1104 on Oct 20, 2018 0:46:06 GMT
207 - 5 new hybrids (2619-2623 being MMC's of course) Bonnet numbers will be 2001-2005 as they will be E40D Smart Hybrids which have different propelling functions to the Ultracap and regular E40Hs.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 20, 2018 6:31:17 GMT
A quick summary of all the recent orders of new buses so far: Abellio: 5 new ADL E400 MMC Smart Hybrids for the 207. CT Plus: 9 new ADL E400H Citys for the 20. Tower Transit: 1 new 9.7m Wright Streetlite for the 339 as a top up.
4 new 10.8m Wright Streetlite for the 228. 28 new Wright Streetdeck Hybrids for the 25 (Possibly ordered for the 262 & 473 instead).
This throws up more questions than it answers: 207 - 5 new hybrids (2619-2623 being MMC's of course), 2401-2413 & 9524-9536 make 31 which meets the new TVR so nothing to add here 20 - 9 new Citys leaves 2 buses coming from the 388 to meet the TVR of 11 339 - presumably receiving a +1 PVR increase as it already has 13 vehicles for a PVR of 11 (extra spare due to being the only 9.3m/9.6m route at LI) also presume a new PVR of 12? 228 - 4 new WV's + the 3 spare WV's from the 236's PVR decrease leaves another 3 buses to be sourced from somewhere 25 - 28 new Streetdecks is an odd number given the 25's final TVR is to be 35 so presume the 25 will either still have VN's or an existing LI hybrid route will gain a part diesel allocation The 207 is actually using existing MMCs from the 415. Not 2401-2413
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 20, 2018 6:45:31 GMT
This throws up more questions than it answers: 207 - 5 new hybrids (2619-2623 being MMC's of course), 2401-2413 & 9524-9536 make 31 which meets the new TVR so nothing to add here 20 - 9 new Citys leaves 2 buses coming from the 388 to meet the TVR of 11 339 - presumably receiving a +1 PVR increase as it already has 13 vehicles for a PVR of 11 (extra spare due to being the only 9.3m/9.6m route at LI) also presume a new PVR of 12? 228 - 4 new WV's + the 3 spare WV's from the 236's PVR decrease leaves another 3 buses to be sourced from somewhere 25 - 28 new Streetdecks is an odd number given the 25's final TVR is to be 35 so presume the 25 will either still have VN's or an existing LI hybrid route will gain a part diesel allocation The 207 is actually using existing MMCs from the 415. Not 2401-2413 Interesting that Abellio chose to order smart hybrids, which are closer to E40Ds and E40Hs. Could have made more sense to order 5 ultracap hybrids to keep common with the ex-415 E40Hs. What is the plan for 2401-2413?
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 20, 2018 6:47:46 GMT
A quick summary of all the recent orders of new buses so far: Abellio: 5 new ADL E400 MMC Smart Hybrids for the 207. CT Plus: 9 new ADL E400H Citys for the 20. Tower Transit: 1 new 9.7m Wright Streetlite for the 339 as a top up.
4 new 10.8m Wright Streetlite for the 228. 28 new Wright Streetdeck Hybrids for the 25 (Possibly ordered for the 262 & 473 instead).
This throws up more questions than it answers: 207 - 5 new hybrids (2619-2623 being MMC's of course), 2401-2413 & 9524-9536 make 31 which meets the new TVR so nothing to add here 20 - 9 new Citys leaves 2 buses coming from the 388 to meet the TVR of 11 339 - presumably receiving a +1 PVR increase as it already has 13 vehicles for a PVR of 11 (extra spare due to being the only 9.3m/9.6m route at LI) also presume a new PVR of 12? 228 - 4 new WV's + the 3 spare WV's from the 236's PVR decrease leaves another 3 buses to be sourced from somewhere 25 - 28 new Streetdecks is an odd number given the 25's final TVR is to be 35 so presume the 25 will either still have VN's or an existing LI hybrid route will gain a part diesel allocation Plus the 28 Streetdeck hybrid order doesn't even add up to the 262/473 PVRs either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 8:43:40 GMT
Shocked a bus route gets a + 1 PVR!! Route 339
I do wonder if in a couple of years we will see lots of + 1 buses being ordered as the network struggles with these cuts. Only time will tell.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 20, 2018 9:02:29 GMT
Shocked a bus route gets a + 1 PVR!! Route 339 I do wonder if in a couple of years we will see lots of + 1 buses being ordered as the network struggles with these cuts. Only time will tell. There was a consultation recently on the 339, to reroute slightly in the Olympic Park to serve new developments. Presumably this is going ahead, and the slightly longer routeing just requires an extra bus to maintain the same frequency.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 20, 2018 9:09:12 GMT
Shocked a bus route gets a + 1 PVR!! Route 339 I do wonder if in a couple of years we will see lots of + 1 buses being ordered as the network struggles with these cuts. Only time will tell. There was a consultation recently on the 339, to reroute slightly in the Olympic Park to serve new developments. Presumably this is going ahead, and the slightly longer routeing just requires an extra bus to maintain the same frequency. I suspect that the distances are probably the same *but* the proposed new route serves a large school or schools so I'd not be shocked if TfL have realised they need to add SDO extra trips to cope with likely demand. An extra bus for that makes sense.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 20, 2018 10:05:55 GMT
The 207 is actually using existing MMCs from the 415. Not 2401-2413 Interesting that Abellio chose to order smart hybrids, which are closer to E40Ds and E40Hs. Could have made more sense to order 5 ultracap hybrids to keep common with the ex-415 E40Hs. What is the plan for 2401-2413? According to the August edition of LOTS they're initially to cover the 452 until December before moving to another route which they presume will be the C2. Nothing's further mentioned on them, at least not yet. In this month's LOTS it quotes, "From April when Abellio assume route 207, the majority of the allocation will now be existing E400s following the withdrawal of route C2 and the conversion of the rest of the 415 to LT operation."
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 20, 2018 13:12:18 GMT
Shocked a bus route gets a + 1 PVR!! Route 339 I do wonder if in a couple of years we will see lots of + 1 buses being ordered as the network struggles with these cuts. Only time will tell. This has been happening with a lot of routes over the past few years on many routes to improve reliability. I doubt bus cuts has anything to do with it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 15:16:50 GMT
Shocked a bus route gets a + 1 PVR!! Route 339 I do wonder if in a couple of years we will see lots of + 1 buses being ordered as the network struggles with these cuts. Only time will tell. This has been happening with a lot of routes over the past few years on many routes to improve reliability. I doubt bus cuts has anything to do with it. Right but my point was they are making big cuts now and no one knows just how much of a impact this will have. My point was they could have to add buses back after cutting them.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 20, 2018 18:58:39 GMT
This has been happening with a lot of routes over the past few years on many routes to improve reliability. I doubt bus cuts has anything to do with it. Right but my point was they are making big cuts now and no one knows just how much of a impact this will have. My point was they could have to add buses back after cutting them. This would only be required for a improved schedule or route alteration. PVRs do not get increased for no reason
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 20, 2018 19:14:15 GMT
The new LOTS TLB is listing 98 new buses I won't deprive them of sales revenue by listing them as they rely on the subs for funds, so better for LOTs if more join. Details should probably be limited to paid up members for first few days. I welcome you refraining from detailing them. As I shall be reading TLB on the train to London next Saturday, it will give me a little news to look forward to then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 20:03:28 GMT
Right but my point was they are making big cuts now and no one knows just how much of a impact this will have. My point was they could have to add buses back after cutting them. This would only be required for a improved schedule or route alteration. PVRs do not get increased for no reason OK I give up - I could say anything and you would find fault with anything I post.
Maybe I am looking at things wrong but the network has never seen cuts like its about to see and no one has a crystal ball to see what the future holds. I was simply saying if huge numbers of passengers and left behind something would need to be done and could mean restoring PVRs to current levels.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 20:05:48 GMT
The new LOTS TLB is listing 98 new buses I won't deprive them of sales revenue by listing them as they rely on the subs for funds, so better for LOTs if more join. Details should probably be limited to paid up members for first few days. I welcome you refraining from detailing them. As I shall be reading TLB on the train to London next Saturday, it will give me a little news to look forward to then. I'm also glad members have started to refrain from publishing TLB on day of publication as I sometimes don't have time to read the issue when its delivered so sometimes spoils the enjoyment so to speak.
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