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Post by busoccultation on Jun 17, 2019 14:19:07 GMT
A quick question for forum members who are near Ilford / have been there recently. What is the situation with bus stops in the town centre? There were restrictions a while back with stops like Redbridge Central Library not being served by terminating / through routes. Has that stopped? I may need to change buses there later this week and need to be certain. That closure for eastbound buses through the town centre has gone months ago and it only lasted for three weeks in late January/early February period. The only changes with the bus stops in Ilford recently is that the westbound Redbridge Central Library is now temporarily relocated to front of the Library itself with a Harrington Humps at the temporary stop while the scaffolding works takes place at the usual location of the stop.
Out of curiosity what routes (Obviously that will include the 123) you are planning to use in Ilford later in the week ?
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Post by snoggle on Jun 17, 2019 16:52:20 GMT
That closure for eastbound buses through the town centre has gone months ago and it only lasted for three weeks in late January/early February period. The only changes with the bus stops in Ilford recently is that the westbound Redbridge Central Library is now temporarily relocated to front of the Library itself with a Harrington Humps at the temporary stop while the scaffolding works takes place at the usual location of the stop. Out of curiosity what routes (Obviously that will include the 123) you are planning to use in Ilford later in the week ? Thank you for the info - much appreciated. I'm not 100% certain how I'm going to make the journey I need to make so can't really say what routes.
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Post by COBO on Jul 11, 2019 17:28:17 GMT
Where did the 125 stand when it terminated at Finchley? Is it still there? Is the stand in Acton we’re the 70 used to stand still there?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 11, 2019 17:46:23 GMT
Where did the 125 stand when it terminated at Finchley? Is it still there? Is the stand in Acton we’re the 70 used to stand still there? The 125 terminated near St. Mary’s Church IIRC
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Post by rif153 on Jul 11, 2019 19:43:08 GMT
Where did the 125 stand when it terminated at Finchley? Is it still there? Is the stand in Acton we’re the 70 used to stand still there? The old 70 stand in Acton is still there. It would make sense for the 306 to use it but sadly not and passengers will be turfed off in middle of nowhere Acton Vale
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 2:20:01 GMT
Where did the 125 stand when it terminated at Finchley? Is it still there? Is the stand in Acton we’re the 70 used to stand still there? Yes the 125 stand still remains at St Mary's Church (Church End). It's still often used as a curtailment point, particularly on route 13 (Finchley, Church End).
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Post by COBO on Jul 29, 2019 17:00:29 GMT
Who decides if a route get new buses or existing buses the operator or TfL?
Who buy the buses the garage or the operator?
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 29, 2019 18:18:07 GMT
Who decides if a route get new buses or existing buses the operator or TfL? Who buy the buses the garage or the operator? TfL normally decides whether to use new or existing buses. When a route is put out to tender, the operator puts in a bid to run a route using new buses. They can also put in additional bids such as using existing buses, a mixture of old and new, and other alternative options like joint bids and leasing instead of buying. TfL then decides which bid they like the most and give the contract to that operator (normally the cheapest). It’s the operator themselves that buy buses not individual garages and allocate them to the appropriate garage. Imagine the fighting if they were bought by garages and then allocations get changed and they don’t want to let go of their favourite and most reliable bus
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 18:18:20 GMT
Who decides if a route get new buses or existing buses the operator or TfL? Who buy the buses the garage or the operator? So i think the bidding operators tell tfl what they plan to use and then tfl choose the best option. The operator buys the buses
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Post by COBO on Jul 29, 2019 20:43:58 GMT
Who decides if a route get new buses or existing buses the operator or TfL? Who buy the buses the garage or the operator? TfL normally decides whether to use new or existing buses. When a route is put out to tender, the operator puts in a bid to run a route using new buses. They can also put in additional bids such as using existing buses, a mixture of old and new, and other alternative options like joint bids and leasing instead of buying. TfL then decides which bid they like the most and give the contract to that operator (normally the cheapest). It’s the operator themselves that buy buses not individual garages and allocate them to the appropriate garage. Imagine the fighting if they were bought by garages and then allocations get changed and they don’t want to let go of their favourite and most reliable bus Who decides if a route get new buses or existing buses the operator or TfL? Who buy the buses the garage or the operator? So i think the bidding operators tell tfl what they plan to use and then tfl choose the best option. The operator buys the buses Thanks.
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Post by Pilot on Jul 30, 2019 15:05:45 GMT
But surely if route is up for tender and previous operator has semi new and good fleet of buses that can easily be used for next 5 or even more years it would make sense for TFL to go for that bid over let's say for another operator who doesn't have the fleet of buses and therefore automatically will have to put a higher bid to compensate for buses? Like even if the old operator service wasn't super good, surely TFL would still go for cheaper option and operator who already has buses, no? I guess part of it is politics...and what does my head in is when routes that start and terminate at specific bus garage is awarded to another operator who is terminating at the enemy operator garage lol, aka 171 for instance.
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Post by Frenzie on Jul 30, 2019 16:50:51 GMT
But surely if route is up for tender and previous operator has semi new and good fleet of buses that can easily be used for next 5 or even more years it would make sense for TFL to go for that bid over let's say for another operator who doesn't have the fleet of buses and therefore automatically will have to put a higher bid to compensate for buses? Like even if the old operator service wasn't super good, surely TFL would still go for cheaper option and operator who already has buses, no? I guess part of it is politics...and what does my head in is when routes that start and terminate at specific bus garage is awarded to another operator who is terminating at the enemy operator garage lol, aka 171 for instance. That apparently isn’t the case as we saw with the 120 and 222. LU had compliant buses that they ordered at the beginning of the contracts in 2012, yet TfL awarded them both to Metroline with brand new buses. Obviously Metroline was the cheaper option, so having existing buses doesn’t always mean you can submit a cheaper bid. Im sure there are various other examples around London.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 30, 2019 16:54:27 GMT
But surely if route is up for tender and previous operator has semi new and good fleet of buses that can easily be used for next 5 or even more years it would make sense for TFL to go for that bid over let's say for another operator who doesn't have the fleet of buses and therefore automatically will have to put a higher bid to compensate for buses? Like even if the old operator service wasn't super good, surely TFL would still go for cheaper option and operator who already has buses, no? I guess part of it is politics...and what does my head in is when routes that start and terminate at specific bus garage is awarded to another operator who is terminating at the enemy operator garage lol, aka 171 for instance. Often the expense of buying new buses can be outweighed by the lower operating costs so even if TfL accept a bid which requires new vehicles, then they'll get the money invested in new vehicles back through lower operating costs over 5 or 7 years
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Post by 15002 on Jul 30, 2019 16:56:24 GMT
But surely if route is up for tender and previous operator has semi new and good fleet of buses that can easily be used for next 5 or even more years it would make sense for TFL to go for that bid over let's say for another operator who doesn't have the fleet of buses and therefore automatically will have to put a higher bid to compensate for buses? Like even if the old operator service wasn't super good, surely TFL would still go for cheaper option and operator who already has buses, no? I guess part of it is politics...and what does my head in is when routes that start and terminate at specific bus garage is awarded to another operator who is terminating at the enemy operator garage lol, aka 171 for instance. That apparently isn’t the case as we saw with the 120 and 222. LU had compliant buses that they ordered at the beginning of the contracts in 2012, yet TfL awarded them both to Metroline with brand new buses. Obviously Metroline was the cheaper option, so having existing buses doesn’t always mean you can submit a cheaper bid. Im sure there are various other examples around London. Yep. The 208 despite having compliant vehicles with E400s got awarded to Go Ahead with brand new buses.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 30, 2019 17:02:43 GMT
But surely if route is up for tender and previous operator has semi new and good fleet of buses that can easily be used for next 5 or even more years it would make sense for TFL to go for that bid over let's say for another operator who doesn't have the fleet of buses and therefore automatically will have to put a higher bid to compensate for buses? Like even if the old operator service wasn't super good, surely TFL would still go for cheaper option and operator who already has buses, no? I guess part of it is politics...and what does my head in is when routes that start and terminate at specific bus garage is awarded to another operator who is terminating at the enemy operator garage lol, aka 171 for instance. That apparently isn’t the case as we saw with the 120 and 222. LU had compliant buses that they ordered at the beginning of the contracts in 2012, yet TfL awarded them both to Metroline with brand new buses. Obviously Metroline was the cheaper option, so having existing buses doesn’t always mean you can submit a cheaper bid. Im sure there are various other examples around London. Well you'll have a higher PVR if you're using slow Enviro 400s!
Disclaimer: I'm not saying all Enviro 400s are slow, in fact some are very fast but there are a lot of slow ones out their. From my experiences, the 120/222, and 208 both had horrifically slow Enviro 400s
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