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Post by Hassaan on Jun 30, 2019 13:43:48 GMT
When route 393 gains its correct DEMs in October, I presume current DEMs on secondment from PB will return there. I wonder whether they will then replace ex-First DEM1912-18? Passengers who are now used to longer DEs may not want the shorter buses back. New buses for routes 209, 214, 232 & 393 will of course see plenty of withdrawals. I hope it is mainly ex-First stock that is withdrawn off lease. New buses on the 209 wouldn't help Metroline as it is Go Ahead that won the contract (edit: just realised you meant in general ). Instead probably just end up with 09-reg DEs withdrawn instead of replacing ex-First as blinds aren't compatible.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 30, 2019 13:44:53 GMT
When route 393 gains its correct DEMs in October, I presume current DEMs on secondment from PB will return there. I wonder whether they will then replace ex-First DEM1912-18? Passengers who are now used to longer DEs may not want the shorter buses back. New buses for routes 209, 214, 232 & 393 will of course see plenty of withdrawals. I hope it is mainly ex-First stock that is withdrawn off lease. I don't think the DMs don't have a very long future in London. I anticipate ex-209 and ex-232 DEs pushing them out They are good buses but given that these DMs are non-standard and slightly older than DE1000-14 at AH, I fear this could happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 14:04:55 GMT
A 204 driver forgot I was on the bus the other day at Edgware station, by the time I pressed the bell he was already past the alighting point. Instead of stopping in the next safe place he drove straight to the stand, letting me off quite dangerously onto the tarmac once he had parked up, into the path of oncoming buses... Did he at least help you get back to bus station unharmed? Once this happened to me and a 337 driver forgot I was on his bus and there were no available stand where he could have let me off on to the pavement - they were all occupied by 49s and 337s. He eventually stopped his bus with the offside by the pavement but put his hi-vis jacket on and didn't let me leave his bus until he had seen it was safe to cross which was very nice of him No, he only opened the rear doors for me and let me cross the bus station myself. I agree it isn't the most dangerous thing in the world, though the principle isn't good. Also if any of you are familiar with the way stands work at Edgware, it's like a large car-park of turning buses, with poor visibility making it hard to weave through them all to get to safety.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 14:07:30 GMT
A 204 driver forgot I was on the bus the other day at Edgware station, by the time I pressed the bell he was already past the alighting point. Instead of stopping in the next safe place he drove straight to the stand, letting me off quite dangerously onto the tarmac once he had parked up, into the path of oncoming buses... But you being an enthusiast could have pressed the bell in time. I agree it isn't fully the drivers fault, though I was under the impression that buses were required to stop at the final alighting point and drivers are to make sure there is no one left on the bus before departing to the stand. Not everyone presses the bell when the buses terminate at Edgware as they all stop at one dedicated point, I guess I am used to drivers just stopping out of habit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 14:10:34 GMT
A 204 driver forgot I was on the bus the other day at Edgware station, by the time I pressed the bell he was already past the alighting point. Instead of stopping in the next safe place he drove straight to the stand, letting me off quite dangerously onto the tarmac once he had parked up, into the path of oncoming buses... it's not that unsafe to cross a bus station, many bus drivers do it every day without getting injured. All bus drivers are also appropriately trained to do this, and wear correct safety gear such as hi-vis jackets etc. Just because someone who does it every day is confident in crossing a busy bus station, doesn't mean passengers are. Big red buses can be quite intimidating and I would fear for any vulnerable elderly or disabled people if they were in this situation.
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Post by Russ TA1 on Jul 1, 2019 0:18:09 GMT
But you being an enthusiast could have pressed the bell in time. I agree it isn't fully the drivers fault, though I was under the impression that buses were required to stop at the final alighting point and drivers are to make sure there is no one left on the bus before departing to the stand. Not everyone presses the bell when the buses terminate at Edgware as they all stop at one dedicated point, I guess I am used to drivers just stopping out of habit. 100% drivers fault as simple as that, drivers must stop at first stop even if no one is at the stop and must stop at the last stop because the driver needs to check his bus at the end of every journey, as a Bus driver I am sorry that you have experienced a careless driver who put you at risk a Professional bus driver should never behave like that no matter what as simple as that no if,s or but,s, in this situation you need to report the driver because his behaviour is very unprofessional dangerous and it's not what you should expect from a a Professional driver, imagine that you were a tourist how would you have felt about it, it wouldn't have looked good for bus drivers image in London, I feel bad reading this things😔
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Post by portman227 on Jul 1, 2019 1:32:06 GMT
I agree it isn't fully the drivers fault, though I was under the impression that buses were required to stop at the final alighting point and drivers are to make sure there is no one left on the bus before departing to the stand. Not everyone presses the bell when the buses terminate at Edgware as they all stop at one dedicated point, I guess I am used to drivers just stopping out of habit. 100% drivers fault as simple as that, drivers must stop at first stop even if no one is at the stop and must stop at the last stop because the driver needs to check his bus at the end of every journey, as a Bus driver I am sorry that you have experienced a careless driver who put you at risk a Professional bus driver should never behave like that no matter what as simple as that no if,s or but,s, in this situation you need to report the driver because his behaviour is very unprofessional dangerous and it's not what you should expect from a a Professional driver, imagine that you were a tourist how would you have felt about it, it wouldn't have looked good for bus drivers image in London, I feel bad reading this things😔 Ok reporting a driver for a mistake he made is so stretched, Bus drivers deserve a chance as they are human. He may have not seen the passenger on the bus but he wasn’t really left with many option, plus whilst it is quite dangerous to let passengers off at bus stands with oncoming vehicles, there was no malicious intent to cause harm, it was just a mistake realised once the driver had reached the stand. It could happen to anyone.
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Post by foxhat on Jul 1, 2019 7:40:37 GMT
When route 393 gains its correct DEMs in October, I presume current DEMs on secondment from PB will return there. I wonder whether they will then replace ex-First DEM1912-18? Passengers who are now used to longer DEs may not want the shorter buses back. New buses for routes 209, 214, 232 & 393 will of course see plenty of withdrawals. I hope it is mainly ex-First stock that is withdrawn off lease. I don't think the DMs don't have a very long future in London. I anticipate ex-209 and ex-232 DEs pushing them out They have only been recently refurbished. Would ML wish to get rid having recently spent so much money on them? I can forsee the DMs staying and the ex.209 DEs pushing out leased ex.First DEs
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Post by Russ TA1 on Jul 1, 2019 7:45:05 GMT
100% drivers fault as simple as that, drivers must stop at first stop even if no one is at the stop and must stop at the last stop because the driver needs to check his bus at the end of every journey, as a Bus driver I am sorry that you have experienced a careless driver who put you at risk a Professional bus driver should never behave like that no matter what as simple as that no if,s or but,s, in this situation you need to report the driver because his behaviour is very unprofessional dangerous and it's not what you should expect from a a Professional driver, imagine that you were a tourist how would you have felt about it, it wouldn't have looked good for bus drivers image in London, I feel bad reading this things😔 Ok reporting a driver for a mistake he made is so stretched, Bus drivers deserve a chance as they are human. He may have not seen the passenger on the bus but he wasn’t really left with many option, plus whilst it is quite dangerous to let passengers off at bus stands with oncoming vehicles, there was no malicious intent to cause harm, it was just a mistake realised once the driver had reached the stand. It could happen to anyone. mate he just said the driver let him off dangerous into tarmac, that is no excuse and all drivers must stop at the terminus to check their bus at the end of every journey it's a requirement and it's not difficult to do that, their was an instance when a driver didn't check his bus and returned to the depot and later on when bus being cleaned they found someone upstairs dead, maybe that person could have been saved and the driver lost his job, also their could be anything on that top deck, alot of drivers don't check their bus I see it everyday, if that person on upstairs was a tfl official then the driver would have been reported as simple as that, and I am a driver since 2002 so i know this things.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 1, 2019 8:59:35 GMT
5x BDE on 43 2614, 17, 18, 19 & 20
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 1, 2019 9:28:45 GMT
Ok reporting a driver for a mistake he made is so stretched, Bus drivers deserve a chance as they are human. He may have not seen the passenger on the bus but he wasn’t really left with many option, plus whilst it is quite dangerous to let passengers off at bus stands with oncoming vehicles, there was no malicious intent to cause harm, it was just a mistake realised once the driver had reached the stand. It could happen to anyone. mate he just said the driver let him off dangerous into tarmac, that is no excuse and all drivers must stop at the terminus to check their bus at the end of every journey it's a requirement and it's not difficult to do that, their was an instance when a driver didn't check his bus and returned to the depot and later on when bus being cleaned they found someone upstairs dead, maybe that person could have been saved also the driver lost his job, also their could be anything on that top deck, alot of drivers don't check their bus I see it everyday, if that person on upstairs was a tfl official then the driver would have been reported as simple as that, and I am a driver since 2002 so i know this things. >>> I am a driver since 2002 so i know this things. <<< You obviously don't know Edgware Bus Station though. There is a stop next to the Underground Station where all arriving buses set down passengers, buses then proceed to the stand which is where the driver does any checks on their bus. If every driver was to do their check at the last stop there would frequently be queues of buses spilling into Station Road. What seems to have happened is that a driver arriving at Edgware Station mistakenly thought their bus was empty so omitted the stop and went straight to stand.
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Post by Russ TA1 on Jul 1, 2019 9:47:44 GMT
mate he just said the driver let him off dangerous into tarmac, that is no excuse and all drivers must stop at the terminus to check their bus at the end of every journey it's a requirement and it's not difficult to do that, their was an instance when a driver didn't check his bus and returned to the depot and later on when bus being cleaned they found someone upstairs dead, maybe that person could have been saved also the driver lost his job, also their could be anything on that top deck, alot of drivers don't check their bus I see it everyday, if that person on upstairs was a tfl official then the driver would have been reported as simple as that, and I am a driver since 2002 so i know this things. >>>  I am a driver since 2002 so i know this things.  <<< You obviously don't know Edgware Bus Station though. There is a stop next to the Underground Station where all arriving buses set down passengers, buses then proceed to the stand which is where the driver does any checks on their bus. If every driver was to do their check at the last stop there would frequently be queues of buses spilling into Station Road. What seems to have happened is that a driver arriving at Edgware Station mistakenly thought their bus was empty so omitted the stop and went straight to stand. I certainly don't know Edgware station but what I do know is that the driver must stop at the last stop no Matter what and driver should and must be Professional at all times, I do understand your point but still no excuse for not stopping at last stop,example I drive 58 to East Ham and it's same as Edgware last stop is not the bus stand, all us 58 drivers and 115 drivers also always stop at last stop before proceeding to the stand.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 1, 2019 9:49:38 GMT
100% drivers fault as simple as that, drivers must stop at first stop even if no one is at the stop and must stop at the last stop because the driver needs to check his bus at the end of every journey, as a Bus driver I am sorry that you have experienced a careless driver who put you at risk a Professional bus driver should never behave like that no matter what as simple as that no if,s or but,s, in this situation you need to report the driver because his behaviour is very unprofessional dangerous and it's not what you should expect from a a Professional driver, imagine that you were a tourist how would you have felt about it, it wouldn't have looked good for bus drivers image in London, I feel bad reading this things😔 Ok reporting a driver for a mistake he made is so stretched, Bus drivers deserve a chance as they are human. He may have not seen the passenger on the bus but he wasn’t really left with many option, plus whilst it is quite dangerous to let passengers off at bus stands with oncoming vehicles, there was no malicious intent to cause harm, it was just a mistake realised once the driver had reached the stand. It could happen to anyone. Indeed, it would be a different story if it was being done constantly but if it's the odd occasion, then there's really nothing to report. It happened to myself on the 283 where the driver took me around the loop at East Acton and past the alighting point despite the fact I was standing by the rear door and he was going to run light before realising I was there so let me off by the bridge. No harm done just like in the situation at Edgware.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 1, 2019 9:52:00 GMT
>>>  I am a driver since 2002 so i know this things.  <<< You obviously don't know Edgware Bus Station though. There is a stop next to the Underground Station where all arriving buses set down passengers, buses then proceed to the stand which is where the driver does any checks on their bus. If every driver was to do their check at the last stop there would frequently be queues of buses spilling into Station Road. What seems to have happened is that a driver arriving at Edgware Station mistakenly thought their bus was empty so omitted the stop and went straight to stand. I certainly don't know Edgware station but what I do know is that the driver must stop at the last stop no Matter what and driver should and must be Professional at all times, I do understand your point but still no excuse for not stopping at last stop,example I drive 58 to East Ham and it's same as Edgware last stop is not the bus stand, all us 58 drivers and 115 drivers also always stop at last stop before proceeding to the stand. Drivers aren't robots - if it was constant occurrence then it's a different story but a one off can easily happen without realising and no harm was done.
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Post by Russ TA1 on Jul 1, 2019 9:54:00 GMT
I certainly don't know Edgware station but what I do know is that the driver must stop at the last stop no Matter what and driver should and must be Professional at all times, I do understand your point but sti2ll no excuse for not stopping at last stop,example I drive 58 to East Ham and it's same as Edgware last stop is not the bus stand, all us 58 drivers and 115 drivers also always stop at last stop before proceeding to the stand. Drivers aren't robots - if it was constant occurrence then it's a different story but a one off can easily happen without realising and no harm was done. I do understand that I am a driver of 17 years so know this things, you would expect the driver to apologise and also be Professional.
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