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Metroline
Aug 20, 2019 13:46:21 GMT
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Post by rif153 on Aug 20, 2019 13:46:21 GMT
Definitely shows the contrast between the two designs - in the looks department, for style and flair the BDE wins hands down. I agree. The OME looks hideous
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Post by VWH1414 on Aug 20, 2019 16:17:32 GMT
Tbh I can see all VMHs going to PA, and then VWHs staying - a few pages back I made a theoretical fleet plan for PB, here is my revised one: VWH2024-2042 - 125 (Includes Buses for the extension) VWH2043-2050 - 231 VWH2051-2056 - 317 VWH2057-2061/TE1420-1430 - W8 TE1308/1431-1448 - 263 TE939-943/946/947/949/976/978/980/982/1309/1311/1312/1315/1316 - 307 (Would be the last to have Euro IV TEs allocated) Now for SDs: DE1151-1154/1158/1159/1163-1165/1167/1169 - Would utilise the ex 214 buses and also allow withdrawl of 58 reg ex First DEs currently at PB - A few 11xx DE are also already at PB from previous transfers DE1327-1336 - 491 (DE1328-1330 are now available to finally complete allocation) DEM1337-1347 - 382 (After 393 receives new DEMs) DEM1348-1353 - 384 Would leave DEM1354-1356 spare, which could stay at PB as general top ups. DEM1912-1918 can go off lease if leased, if not then sold. Like I said at the start this is all theoretical ideas. I would also like to add onto your plan and have DE1320-26 (also released from the 214) reallocated at UX for the H13 which is gained in a few weeks Looks like this is not happening, DE1323 is now at G - I'm thinking that maybe some of the intended 393 DELs will be used on the route, with the remainder being used to displace some of the remaining ex First 18xx DEs at UX, with approx 9 available if 7 go to the H13, so that would be perfect for replacing DE1798-1806. Also looks like my theory on ex 214 11xx DEs going to PB is proving true - DE1163/1167 have transferred to PB as of today.
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Metroline
Aug 20, 2019 16:34:14 GMT
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Post by Hassaan on Aug 20, 2019 16:34:14 GMT
I would also like to add onto your plan and have DE1320-26 (also released from the 214) reallocated at UX for the H13 which is gained in a few weeks Looks like this is not happening, DE1323 is now at G - I'm thinking that maybe some of the intended 393 DELs will be used on the route, with the remainder being used to displace some of the remaining ex First 18xx DEs at UX, with approx 9 available if 7 go to the H13, so that would be perfect for replacing DE1798-1806. Also looks like my theory on ex 214 11xx DEs going to PB is proving true - DE1163/1167 have transferred to PB as of today. Still a chance that G might get just that one LK12 bus, as they also have random 11-reg DE1161 mixed in with all the LK10 DEs. I guess DE1323 will see borrowed no-blinds bus DE1651 return back to WJ.
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Post by VWH1414 on Aug 20, 2019 17:34:06 GMT
Looks like this is not happening, DE1323 is now at G - I'm thinking that maybe some of the intended 393 DELs will be used on the route, with the remainder being used to displace some of the remaining ex First 18xx DEs at UX, with approx 9 available if 7 go to the H13, so that would be perfect for replacing DE1798-1806. Also looks like my theory on ex 214 11xx DEs going to PB is proving true - DE1163/1167 have transferred to PB as of today. Still a chance that G might get just that one LK12 bus, as they also have random 11-reg DE1161 mixed in with all the LK10 DEs. I guess DE1323 will see borrowed no-blinds bus DE1651 return back to WJ. Could happen, but I'm thinking that the H13 would make good use of those DELs, plus the numbers of leftover DELs would be perfect to replace DE1798-1806 which are almost certainly leased. The 95 was also supposed to receive buses from the 214, so DE1320-1326 might be doing just that, could allow DE1161 as well as a few other 11xx DEs to return to W and replace either ex First DEs or 8xx DEs. But who knows, theres lots of different things that could happen, especially as there is around 50 spare DEs to either get sold or shuffled around.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2019 18:05:16 GMT
Definitely shows the contrast between the two designs - in the looks department, for style and flair the BDE wins hands down. I agree. The OME looks hideous I think it looks pretty good even if not better than the City.
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Post by snowman on Aug 20, 2019 18:38:50 GMT
I recon they'll end up at PB, the majority of them as to replace the 58 reg Ex-First DE's. The 11xx ones probably will - like I said in my plan - though 1 or 2 may not be required and will probably go somewhere like WJ. Overall the ex 214 DEs will probably be used to displace ex First DEs, mainly the 16xx ones. Although some moves and transfers are still likely, this is latest list of DEs which haven’t been in service this week (per LVF) 08-reg : 870, 1583, 1587, 1591, 58-reg : 872, 874, 952, 957, 1601, 1604, 1606, 1608, 1620, 1621, 1626, 1627, 1632, 1633, 1637, 1639, 1644, 1649, 09-reg : 994, 998, 1004, 1006, 1007, 1665-1694, 10-reg : 1115, 1131, 1147, 1149, 1788, 1794, 1795, 1796, 1797, 1808, 1810, 11-reg : 1152, 1153, 1154, 1158, 1159, 1170, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1900, 1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 12-reg : 1320, 1321, 1322, 1324, 1325, 1326, 1328, 1329, 1330, 1331, 1335, 1968,
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Post by VWH1414 on Aug 20, 2019 20:02:30 GMT
The 11xx ones probably will - like I said in my plan - though 1 or 2 may not be required and will probably go somewhere like WJ. Overall the ex 214 DEs will probably be used to displace ex First DEs, mainly the 16xx ones. Although some moves and transfers are still likely, this is latest list of DEs which haven’t been in service this week (per LVF) 08-reg : 870, 1583, 1587, 1591, 58-reg : 872, 874, 952, 957, 1601, 1604, 1606, 1608, 1620, 1621, 1626, 1627, 1632, 1633, 1637, 1639, 1644, 1649, 09-reg : 994, 998, 1004, 1006, 1007, 1665-1694, 10-reg : 1115, 1131, 1147, 1149, 1788, 1794, 1795, 1796, 1797, 1808, 1810, 11-reg : 1152, 1153, 1154, 1158, 1159, 1170, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1900, 1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 12-reg : 1320, 1321, 1322, 1324, 1325, 1326, 1328, 1329, 1330, 1331, 1335, 1968, I think everything there that is not ex First will be back soon - Also some are probably away for maintenance, as DE1330/1331/1335 are 491 buses.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2019 21:21:20 GMT
The 11xx ones probably will - like I said in my plan - though 1 or 2 may not be required and will probably go somewhere like WJ. Overall the ex 214 DEs will probably be used to displace ex First DEs, mainly the 16xx ones. Although some moves and transfers are still likely, this is latest list of DEs which haven’t been in service this week (per LVF) 08-reg : 870, 1583, 1587, 1591, 58-reg : 872, 874, 952, 957, 1601, 1604, 1606, 1608, 1620, 1621, 1626, 1627, 1632, 1633, 1637, 1639, 1644, 1649, 09-reg : 994, 998, 1004, 1006, 1007, 1665-1694, 10-reg : 1115, 1131, 1147, 1149, 1788, 1794, 1795, 1796, 1797, 1808, 1810, 11-reg : 1152, 1153, 1154, 1158, 1159, 1170, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1900, 1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 12-reg : 1320, 1321, 1322, 1324, 1325, 1326, 1328, 1329, 1330, 1331, 1335, 1968, DE1968 should of went off lease ages ago, probably just awaiting confirmation that it actually did go as it's not been used since the 223 & 224 were lost.
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Post by COBO on Aug 21, 2019 11:26:09 GMT
So will VWH2306-2310 be going back to AC?
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Post by COBO on Aug 21, 2019 11:33:24 GMT
So are the ex 207,427 and 607 VWs now withdrawn?
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Post by E279 on Aug 21, 2019 12:13:30 GMT
Obviously the delay for them entering service was quite lengthy but now they have started entering service, they seem to be rolling out pretty quick, 5/7 entered service with at least another 2 sitting in PB I saw them* on the open day.
* OME2650/1
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Post by richard on Aug 21, 2019 12:59:38 GMT
Obviously the delay for them entering service was quite lengthy but now they have started entering service, they seem to be rolling out pretty quick, 5/7 entered service with at least another 2 sitting in PB I saw them* on the open day. * OME2650/1 I wonder if they will be in service before the remaining BDEs will
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Metroline
Aug 21, 2019 13:04:52 GMT
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Post by Hassaan on Aug 21, 2019 13:04:52 GMT
Update on Greenford TEs: TE1313 and TE1739 also have "482-only" restrictions, in addition to TE1716-1724. I previously mentioned TE1715 but that is Euro6 actually.
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Metroline
Aug 21, 2019 13:52:01 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Aug 21, 2019 13:52:01 GMT
Update on Greenford TEs: TE1313 and TE1739 also have "482-only" restrictions, in addition to TE1716-1724. I previously mentioned TE1715 but that is Euro6 actually. So I'm guessing that TE1716-1724 is the actual allocation (they meet the TVR of 9) with the other two being additional spares? These TE allocations at G like giving me more work don't they lol.
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Metroline
Aug 21, 2019 16:00:09 GMT
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Post by dmncf on Aug 21, 2019 16:00:09 GMT
Sorry if this is explained elsewhere on the thread, but can I ask why Metroline bought just a handful of ADL Enviro 400MMC double decks? Aside from rare appearances, they operate only on route 332, right?
It's strange reading about Wrightbus's current financial problems, because looking at Metroline's recent double decks purchases you'd think Wrightbus was doing well. Perhaps I shouldn't assume that the routes I personally travel are a representative sample of the UK bus industry. ;-)
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