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Post by rj131 on Jan 27, 2018 12:59:33 GMT
I would be interested to see what happens with E246-275 on the 36 when the new MMC’s arrive to replace them. I wonder what will be done with them. Am I right in thinking the 213 and D7 don’t have enough allocated buses to make up their PVR? Some could be used there. What has happened with the D7 allocation? Where did it's buses move too? So the D7 is allocated WVL422-434 I believe (LX11F**), only 13 vehicles for a PVR of 15. At the moment they’re being refurbished for their renewed contract (renewed in 2016 so a bit late), so have drafted in a few floats in the form of WVN4-7 from NP.
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Post by rj131 on Jan 27, 2018 13:10:11 GMT
I would be interested to see what happens with E246-275 on the 36 when the new MMC’s arrive to replace them. I wonder what will be done with them. Am I right in thinking the 213 and D7 don’t have enough allocated buses to make up their PVR? Some could be used there. There are a lot of upcoming tenders for them to be used on. I don't know about the 213 and D7 though. I would love to see them back on the 129 as refurb floats though, instead of those old crippling 2003 WVLs. Are there really? After having a look, 61, 261, 104, 304, potentially even 51 I’m guessing? EDIT: I know the 213 and D7 contracts have been renewed fairly recently, I just didn’t think they had enough vehicles to make up its PVR, so I thought they could potentially be used as top-ups. Also, I love the older WVLs, I think they’re great! So sad to see them all gone so quickly
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Post by Hassaan on Jan 27, 2018 13:21:49 GMT
What has happened with the D7 allocation? Where did it's buses move too? So the D7 is allocated WVL422-434 I believe (LX11F**), only 13 vehicles for a PVR of 15. At the moment they’re being refurbished for their renewed contract (renewed in 2016 so a bit late), so have drafted in a few floats in the form of WVN4-7 from NP. The D7 appeared to be allocated some of the Scania OmniCity buses, as there are 16 of those (958-973) and the D8 has a PVR of 12. It was previously allocated WVL249-251 on paper, which spent most of their time on the 474 when that was at SI (and the D7 instead using some 474 B9TLs). When the 474 went to RR, WVL249-250 moved with it (but now don't appear on the route that often!) while WVL251 went back to Q. The D7 is actually on it's third set of top-ups, as it was originally allocated WVL451-453 until those buses were taken for the EL2 changes! And currently allocated WVN4-7 have old First blinds, maybe even their original set from when they were brand new!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 13:26:33 GMT
There are a lot of upcoming tenders for them to be used on. I don't know about the 213 and D7 though. I would love to see them back on the 129 as refurb floats though, instead of those old crippling 2003 WVLs. Are there really? After having a look, 61, 261, 104, 304, potentially even 51 I’m guessing? EDIT: I know the 213 and D7 contracts have been renewed fairly recently, I just didn’t think they had enough vehicles to make up its PVR, so I thought they could potentially be used as top-ups. Also, I love the older WVLs, I think they’re great! So sad to see them all gone so quickly I've never liked the old WVLs! I did have a soft spot for the VWLs on the 180 though! Those were fantastic buses! I'd rather have the PVLs than WVLs. I wish they were using PVLs instead of WVLs as refurb floats.
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Post by rj131 on Jan 27, 2018 13:51:07 GMT
So the D7 is allocated WVL422-434 I believe (LX11F**), only 13 vehicles for a PVR of 15. At the moment they’re being refurbished for their renewed contract (renewed in 2016 so a bit late), so have drafted in a few floats in the form of WVN4-7 from NP. The D7 appeared to be allocated some of the Scania OmniCity buses, as there are 16 of those (958-973) and the D8 has a PVR of 12. It was previously allocated WVL249-251 on paper, which spent most of their time on the 474 when that was at SI (and the D7 instead using some 474 B9TLs). When the 474 went to RR, WVL249-250 moved with it (but now don't appear on the route that often!) while WVL251 went back to Q. The D7 is actually on it's third set of top-ups, as it was originally allocated WVL451-453 until those buses were taken for the EL2 changes! And currently allocated WVN4-7 have old First blinds, maybe even their original set from when they were brand new! The D8 actually only has a PVR of 9! That makes an awful lot of sense though, I thought they drafted in way too many Scanias for that route! What will be interesting though is when the D8 is lost and the Scanias get withdrawn, what will be the D7s top up then? One possibility is they keep the WVN’s permanently, but I find this unlikely as NP will probably need them back. So the D7 will have a 4th set of top ups! hence my theory about some of E246-275 being used, because the D7 has ran E400’s before, but even then the more I think about it this is probably quite unlikely as well, we’ll just have to wait and see!
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Post by rj131 on Jan 27, 2018 13:54:45 GMT
Are there really? After having a look, 61, 261, 104, 304, potentially even 51 I’m guessing? EDIT: I know the 213 and D7 contracts have been renewed fairly recently, I just didn’t think they had enough vehicles to make up its PVR, so I thought they could potentially be used as top-ups. Also, I love the older WVLs, I think they’re great! So sad to see them all gone so quickly I've never liked the old WVLs! I did have a soft spot for the VWLs on the 180 though! Those were fantastic buses! I'd rather have the PVLs than WVLs. I wish they were using PVLs instead of WVLs as refurb floats. Go-Aheads WVLs were definitely my favourite Gemini’s in London. I was so sad when they got replaced on the 14, 22, 74 and 430, I don’t think there are any routes that suited Gemini’s better. I am very happy with the new vehicles on those routes though, AF’s maintence is clearly extremely good because the new vehicles of all types found there are extremely nice to travel on!
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Post by Green Kitten on Jan 27, 2018 14:13:57 GMT
I've never liked the old WVLs! I did have a soft spot for the VWLs on the 180 though! Those were fantastic buses! I'd rather have the PVLs than WVLs. I wish they were using PVLs instead of WVLs as refurb floats. Go-Aheads WVLs were definitely my favourite Gemini’s in London. I was so sad when they got replaced on the 14, 22, 74 and 430, I don’t think there are any routes that suited Gemini’s better. I am very happy with the new vehicles on those routes though, AF’s maintence is clearly extremely good because the new vehicles of all types found there are extremely nice to travel on! They were some of my favourite buses in London those!
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Post by vjaska on Jan 27, 2018 14:58:53 GMT
I've never liked the old WVLs! I did have a soft spot for the VWLs on the 180 though! Those were fantastic buses! I'd rather have the PVLs than WVLs. I wish they were using PVLs instead of WVLs as refurb floats. Go-Aheads WVLs were definitely my favourite Gemini’s in London. I was so sad when they got replaced on the 14, 22, 74 and 430, I don’t think there are any routes that suited Gemini’s better. I am very happy with the new vehicles on those routes though, AF’s maintence is clearly extremely good because the new vehicles of all types found there are extremely nice to travel on! Being biased, my favourites were the WVL’s at SW for the 11, 133, 333 & 345 (as well as there appearances on the 37) back when the double decker variety meant no matter whether a WVL, PVL & PDL turned up, you’d be happy (I did always hope for a PDL though given they were my favourites at SW).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 15:27:44 GMT
The D7 appeared to be allocated some of the Scania OmniCity buses, as there are 16 of those (958-973) and the D8 has a PVR of 12. It was previously allocated WVL249-251 on paper, which spent most of their time on the 474 when that was at SI (and the D7 instead using some 474 B9TLs). When the 474 went to RR, WVL249-250 moved with it (but now don't appear on the route that often!) while WVL251 went back to Q. The D7 is actually on it's third set of top-ups, as it was originally allocated WVL451-453 until those buses were taken for the EL2 changes! And currently allocated WVN4-7 have old First blinds, maybe even their original set from when they were brand new! The D8 actually only has a PVR of 9! That makes an awful lot of sense though, I thought they drafted in way too many Scanias for that route! What will be interesting though is when the D8 is lost and the Scanias get withdrawn, what will be the D7s top up then? One possibility is they keep the WVN’s permanently, but I find this unlikely as NP will probably need them back. So the D7 will have a 4th set of top ups! hence my theory about some of E246-275 being used, because the D7 has ran E400’s before, but even then the more I think about it this is probably quite unlikely as well, we’ll just have to wait and see! The D7 could take some of the 474 buses in May.
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Post by tooting395 on Jan 27, 2018 15:30:03 GMT
Had my first ride on the "new" X26 buses, has go ahead changed their moquette slightly? or is it only for certain routes
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 15:32:11 GMT
Had my first ride on the "new" X26 buses, has go ahead changed their moquette slightly? or is it only for certain routes They have a grey version of their moquette that they use in their ex. First buses. They decided to use this moquette in the X26 buses. Fairly surprising that the non X26 ex. ELT buses use the normal moquette.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 16:14:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 17:08:23 GMT
I had WVL 452 on the 5 today this bus seems to have been refurbished but has grey back seating. I know these buses were used in the ELT routes but thought they kept standard interiors.
Just wondering how the grey come about ?
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Post by rj131 on Jan 27, 2018 17:51:21 GMT
Had my first ride on the "new" X26 buses, has go ahead changed their moquette slightly? or is it only for certain routes They have a grey version of their moquette that they use in their ex. First buses. They decided to use this moquette in the X26 buses. Fairly surprising that the non X26 ex. ELT buses use the normal moquette. This is just me speculating but GAL may have wanted to visually distinguish the Ex-ELT X26 buses from the Ex-ELT 5 buses in some way. The X26 buses have a single door, grey moquette, charging ports and red front light surrounds. The 5’s have dual door (obviously), the standard blue moquette, no charging ports and kept the front light surround black (which looks much better in my opinion).
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Post by danorak on Jan 27, 2018 17:53:25 GMT
GAL tried to cover the bridge fiasco up a bit! Some 286 drivers were told that the SEs were going away for an overhaul and they were to get them back! Some only found out about the real reason for the swap when I told them! In terms of how permanent it will be, the swap is going to be a permanent measure. The buses meet the contract specifications for both routes. The 170 is due to keep the SEs for the remainder of it's contract at least, from what I was told. The 286 contract, however, is up next year, and Go Ahead are expected to lose the route on account of unacceptable levels of lost mileage. The vast majority of the lost mileage has come from SEs going mechanical, so MG must be pretty glad to see the back of them! Hilarious that they've tried to cover it up, do they think drivers don't read forums like this? I wouldn't be at all surprised if Go Ahead retain the 286 however badly they run it as I really don't see who will take it off them. Arriva from DT possibly although I don't suppose they've got much room now, and it would be an awkward one for Abellio or Stagecoach. A lot will probably depend on the outcome of other tenders. Stagecoach could run it from PD; the P3, 188 and 453 have all run from there in the past. And mad as it seems, if the 286 remained single deck, they could put it into WH. They did tender for the 453 from there after all.
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