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Post by greenboy on Jan 28, 2020 12:21:10 GMT
TfL state on their website that it shouldn't be done but it isn't enforced. Ever. We used to have a problem with foreign coaches parking on the Gravel Pit Way stand in Orpington back when the R7 terminated there. Often they would park two coaches in the bay leaving us nowhere to take our stand time. We would call CentreComm and they would ask for the registration numbers of the coaches. I’m aware of at least two drivers being forced to pay a fine before they were let back into the country so TfL must enforce the rules sometimes Yes I've seen coaches parked on that stand, using it as a pick up or drop off point is one thing but leaving them there and going to the cafe or wherever is a bit of a liberty. The company would be liable for the fines.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 28, 2020 12:25:27 GMT
Is there a possibility the bus drove past a car that had someone smoking it. if you have you heaters on it sucks the air from outside and takes ages for it to vent out. I hate driving my car past people smoking driving it and then may have to open my windows. I don't know how some people get away from smoking it at the wheel, its like saying 2 fingers up to the police. No I know when someone is stoned by observing their behaviour it was the bus driver without a doubt. He thought it's pitch black past 10pm at night in the middle of no where, he'll get away with a sneaky joint. If I were certain that it was the driver I would call the police immediately, obviously it would be up to them what they do about it but my conscience would be clear if the worst were to happen.
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 28, 2020 17:48:44 GMT
We used to have a problem with foreign coaches parking on the Gravel Pit Way stand in Orpington back when the R7 terminated there. Often they would park two coaches in the bay leaving us nowhere to take our stand time. We would call CentreComm and they would ask for the registration numbers of the coaches. I’m aware of at least two drivers being forced to pay a fine before they were let back into the country so TfL must enforce the rules sometimes Yes I've seen coaches parked on that stand, using it as a pick up or drop off point is one thing but leaving them there and going to the cafe or wherever is a bit of a liberty. The company would be liable for the fines. Interesting this thread has got me looking at bud stop regulations ... maximum time a bus is allowed to stop at a bus stop is 2 minutes. Wonder how many times drivers are instructed to break this law by being regulated?
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Post by busaholic on Jan 28, 2020 20:34:48 GMT
Yes I've seen coaches parked on that stand, using it as a pick up or drop off point is one thing but leaving them there and going to the cafe or wherever is a bit of a liberty. The company would be liable for the fines. Interesting this thread has got me looking at bud stop regulations ... maximum time a bus is allowed to stop at a bus stop is 2 minutes. Wonder how many times drivers are instructed to break this law by being regulated? My reading of the regulations, a few minutes ago, is that 'local service buses' are allowed unlimited time to pick up and set down passengers, and to change crews, the two minute maximum stipulation only applying to waiting in order to maintain a timetable, which would obviously include regulation by controllers. That is applicable where a 'bus stop' legend is applied to the roadway: if the words 'bus stand' are used, there are no time restrictions for buses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 20:37:22 GMT
Meant to post this yesterday - I had to drive through central London yesterday evening during the rush hour, I truly take my hat off to all bus drivers who have to that every day! Having driven for 17 odd years I have never felt so stressed being cut up by cyclists and Ubers everywhere plus J walkers every 30 seconds. On the plus side I did the same trip much during the evening and it was a breeze did Waterloo Bridge to the A12 Blackwall Tunnel in 15 mins
Won't be doing that again in a hurry
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 29, 2020 22:36:06 GMT
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Post by george on Jan 29, 2020 22:43:46 GMT
Saw this reported on twitter back on Sunday, I've tried to see if there was any photos anywhere but not seen any.
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 30, 2020 0:41:32 GMT
TfL (maybe DfT) have excelled themselves!
Norwood Junction new location map 'you are here' thing gone up.
In straight line from station you have Co-op, been an Aldi for about 3 years, Post Office which closed about same time as the Police Station which was 7 years ago!
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Post by hangerlane on Jan 31, 2020 9:01:28 GMT
Saw this reported on twitter back on Sunday, I've tried to see if there was any photos anywhere but not seen any. In Dorset yesterday there was a crash between a 'bus' and a stationary police car and ambulance in the early hours of the morning. Normally when there is a collision between cars the local paper will be explicit in identifying the vehicles involved (eg A silver Peugeot registered to a Dorchester man) but in this case there is no indication of who the bus belonged to. There appear to be no photos. Someone did write in the comments section that it was a white 'coach' belonging to someone like National Express (I am aware that these are franchised). There was some debate about whether it was a bus or coach. It seems that the general public have little idea about the difference; many younger people seem to learn their English from America where there appears to be little difference. As an aside, I remember listening to an interview on Radio 5 with the chairperson of Altrincham FC, when they were involved in a cup tie. The interviewer was referring to the way the chairperson did many jobs for the club, including driving the team bus. The chairperson replied to the effect 'I drive the team coach'.
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Post by hangerlane on Jan 31, 2020 9:13:21 GMT
I thought you didn't mean RTLs, but worth a try.. I had no personal experience of them at Hatfield, but have seen photos of them on the 341 too: as you say, they weren't popular with drivers from all I've read. Just before the 108B was converted to opo I travelled up Westcombe Hill in Greenwich on an RT and it sounded just like an RTL which had previously graced the hill on the 108/A. I seriously wondered for a minute or two if it had had a transplant. Yes, worth a try indeed, thank you - but yay! I have found some info. Ken Blacker's definitive RT book (Capital Transport 1979) says "the decision [to put heaters in the entire country fleet] ... coincided with the wholesale conversion of axle ratios on all green RTs from the standard 5.16:1 to 4.57:1" (I have decimalised the figures for clarity). This caused them to be redesignated (from whatever?) to 2/3RT until the heaters were fitted, when they became 1/3RTs. This was the same classification as the existing Greenline RTs, which thus presumably already had the non-standard axles. This was 1960 - the same year that the extra Greenline fleet was created (the 28 with the transfers rather than cast roundels). Assuming they were already green the only difference would have been the new logos and repainting the cream band to light green! It was also the year the 18 RTLs went to Hatfield, so some momentous changes in the green fleet. The RTLs lasted there only from July 1960 to June 1961. Apparently they had been overhauled and painted green as early as 1959, and stored while they tried to get agreement for them to be used somewhere. As you say, they were not liked... Thanks for that info. This may explain why the preserved green TRs have such a job getting up the hill from Tonbridge to Sevenoaks. I would love to get a copy of the RT book, but it is (as far as I know) out of print and costs silly money. There was a lot of swapping from red to green and vice versa, even in late years, and I wonder if axle ratios changed too. Interestingly, the two RTs at the London Bus Museum have swapped colours in preservation. RT 3491 was a red bus, and was sold directly into preservation. As London Transport were not happy about possible confusion, they insisted the bus be changed to green. RT 4779 was originally a green bus, but at the end of it's final service the current iteration was a red bus running on the 140 from Harrow Weald. After many years of restoration it was painted green, in which it ran from ~2014 to last year, when it appeared in red at Barking for RT80. So who knows what ratios these have!
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 31, 2020 10:34:53 GMT
Yes I've seen coaches parked on that stand, using it as a pick up or drop off point is one thing but leaving them there and going to the cafe or wherever is a bit of a liberty. The company would be liable for the fines. Interesting this thread has got me looking at bud stop regulations ... maximum time a bus is allowed to stop at a bus stop is 2 minutes. Wonder how many times drivers are instructed to break this law by being regulated? I do not think this 2 minutes as a "written rule" I have searched everywhere for it and could not find it. There was something some years ago about idling bus engines not allowed more than 2 minutes, but cannot find that either.
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 31, 2020 11:40:00 GMT
Interesting this thread has got me looking at bud stop regulations ... maximum time a bus is allowed to stop at a bus stop is 2 minutes. Wonder how many times drivers are instructed to break this law by being regulated? I do not think this 2 minutes as a "written rule" I have searched everywhere for it and could not find it. There was something some years ago about idling bus engines not allowed more than 2 minutes, but cannot find that either. Section 3a www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/schedule/19/part/I/madeJust read the definition of a bus stop clearway ... Going to check a number of them to see how many meet the required definition ... as not all bus stops are clear ways if I am reading it correctly. No idea at mo, how many of them meet the requirements, but think it will be quite high. Definition of a bus stop road markings in the highway code meets the definition of a bus stop clearway. PS Have not and do not intend reading all the various amendments of traffic sign regulations to see if it has changed since
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 31, 2020 12:54:22 GMT
T92 has had it's overall Oyster ad removed, but the curved pattern on the front door remains orange ... looks odd!
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Post by redbus on Jan 31, 2020 15:41:59 GMT
I do not think this 2 minutes as a "written rule" I have searched everywhere for it and could not find it. There was something some years ago about idling bus engines not allowed more than 2 minutes, but cannot find that either. Section 3a www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/schedule/19/part/I/madeJust read the definition of a bus stop clearway ... Going to check a number of them to see how many meet the required definition ... as not all bus stops are clear ways if I am reading it correctly. No idea at mo, how many of them meet the requirements, but think it will be quite high. Definition of a bus stop road markings in the highway code meets the definition of a bus stop clearway. PS Have not and do not intend reading all the various amendments of traffic sign regulations to see if it has changed since Seems pretty clear to me. Regulating the service by causing the bus to wait at the stop for longer than two minutes breaks this law / regulation. I'd be interested to hear what the bus operators and TfL have to say about that. Also interested in a Lawyer's advice as to whether this is the correct interpretation.
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Post by rmz19 on Jan 31, 2020 15:59:48 GMT
There were two instances I used the 232 between New Southgate and Brent Cross, the first being a few weeks ago and the second earlier today. While I like the StreetLites in general, I find the ones on the 232 to be very shaky while breaking and accelerating. I thought it may have been down to poor driving the first time round, but today this was also the case and even more so.
Additionally, during the first instance I overheard a discussion between the driver and Centrecomm about warning lights lighting up on the dashboard showing an issue with the rear left tyre of some sort, Centrecomm then replied saying it's fine and the driver can continue.
Regarding the shakiness I believe it might be down to this batch of StreetLites themselves, but does anyone know why this is the case? Other StreetLites are smooth and don't have this issue. They are rapid however, as can be proven along the North Circular.
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