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Post by LK65EBO on Jan 27, 2020 19:42:24 GMT
I didn't know where to put my question: Who created The Bus Forum?
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Post by Pilot on Jan 27, 2020 20:06:06 GMT
There are rule books, red books and god-knows-what-else books but, all in all, disobeying them or ignoring them does not in itself mean the driver's actions are illegal. So much guff is talked on here and other forums about the supposed illegality of such things as reversing a bus in public service without a 'banksman' or it being a crime to stop for a passenger at anything other than a bus stop, either to let them on or off. Only the police could decide whether an offence might have occurred, and it'll be based on various Road Traffic Acts. That doesn't mean a driver won't have contravened their employer's rules, but that's entirely another matter. At Go-ahead the rule of thumb was to open the door when safe to do so. Pull up to the kerb of if you're still worried, alight passengers through the front doors with you (the driver) stood in a high-vy between the bus and pavement. Common sense init. Bus drivers get away with anything, as long as nothing bad happens, this is why obviously it's rare that something does go wrong in occasions when you open doors outside of bus stop. Again I just wanted to see other people's opinions on it so I am happy to hear different things, management is super strict nowdays so any sort of occurrence whether it's your fault or not they will try to tag it as your fault just 'because' it seems. Like my fellow driver put occurrence report for some kind of fist fight on bus which he handled properly and professionally, and the company which i won't disclose warned him for speeding when they reviewed the footage because he went 22 in 20 (yes speeding is speeding) for about 10 seconds....and told him if you didn't speed maybe you wouldn't have picked them up at the bus stop... I mean i am laughing as i type this because it's ridiculous and irrelevant to what he reported.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 20:11:59 GMT
What are the rules on private coaches (e.g. for school trips) stopping in marked bus stop cages?
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Post by galwhv69 on Jan 27, 2020 21:47:48 GMT
I didn't know where to put my question: Who created The Bus Forum? Tangy
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Post by galwhv69 on Jan 27, 2020 21:51:31 GMT
What are the rules on private coaches (e.g. for school trips) stopping in marked bus stop cages? TfL state on their website that it shouldn't be done but it isn't enforced. Ever.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 27, 2020 22:29:58 GMT
We’ve had drivers pulled off buses because people have called to say they think they have been smoking drugs etc, when every time it’s actually been someone on the bus. I’ve even had people accuse me of being high/on drugs because of the stench from some people that board our buses No one had been on the bus except the driver, it had come straight from the garage. Is there a possibility the bus drove past a car that had someone smoking it. if you have you heaters on it sucks the air from outside and takes ages for it to vent out. I hate driving my car past people smoking driving it and then may have to open my windows. I don't know how some people get away from smoking it at the wheel, its like saying 2 fingers up to the police.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 27, 2020 22:42:52 GMT
Idk if you guys are up for story but, here is my idea and please feel free to have constructive feedback on it lol. Basically I am pretty sure you know routes which get stuck in traffic and I mean gridlock traffic in rush/peak time and the bus is full and 80% of the passengers wanna get off at the next stop because THAT'S the stop everyone gets off to get train or whatever. The passengers start knocking on the cab asking for driver to 'let them off' because that's only 2 min walk to the stop, or 10-15 sometime even 20 min drive to that stop. Letting passengers off outside of the stop is illegal as far as I know, therefore 70% (probably) of drivers won't open the doors...so my idea is maybe for TFL to start painting some sort of 'Oh no Traffic Line' along the places which get gridlock so drivers can legally open the doors but only if the bus hasn't moved in awhile and obviously if it's safe to do so, therefore giving drivers a bit of room to breathe instead of arguing with passengers that they'll have to wait 15 minutes to drive 5 metres.
Again I am not saying they should start painting them everywhere, but probably do research on few routes which need it. Because where I am, passengers are letting off themselves by pressing button and it's becoming 'just another day in the office' routine every single morning.
It is against most company rules to alight passengers not at bus stops and for safety reasons. When we started to get loads of suing no win, no fee in the early 2000's drivers were actively warned of disciplinary action or even dismal in certain circumstances over this. The past 3 years London Buses have changed the rules due to loads of complaints about being stuck on buses due to roadworks etc in standstill traffic and not being able to alight. They have told driver that they can alight passengers if stuck in traffic and the bus is beside the kerb. For obvious reason this doesn't include alighting from 2nd, 3rd lane or if bicycles etc can pass on the inside and the bus is not next to a kerb.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 27, 2020 22:44:22 GMT
Idk if you guys are up for story but, here is my idea and please feel free to have constructive feedback on it lol. Basically I am pretty sure you know routes which get stuck in traffic and I mean gridlock traffic in rush/peak time and the bus is full and 80% of the passengers wanna get off at the next stop because THAT'S the stop everyone gets off to get train or whatever. The passengers start knocking on the cab asking for driver to 'let them off' because that's only 2 min walk to the stop, or 10-15 sometime even 20 min drive to that stop. Letting passengers off outside of the stop is illegal as far as I know, therefore 70% (probably) of drivers won't open the doors...so my idea is maybe for TFL to start painting some sort of 'Oh no Traffic Line' along the places which get gridlock so drivers can legally open the doors but only if the bus hasn't moved in awhile and obviously if it's safe to do so, therefore giving drivers a bit of room to breathe instead of arguing with passengers that they'll have to wait 15 minutes to drive 5 metres.
Again I am not saying they should start painting them everywhere, but probably do research on few routes which need it. Because where I am, passengers are letting off themselves by pressing button and it's becoming 'just another day in the office' routine every single morning.
Page 23 of the big red book says it’s fine to open the doors between stops provided it’s safe and the passengers alight through the front door. This was amended a few years ago to include this.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 27, 2020 22:55:07 GMT
What are the rules on private coaches (e.g. for school trips) stopping in marked bus stop cages? TfL state on their website that it shouldn't be done but it isn't enforced. Ever. I had thought this was the case as back when I was at primary school in the 90's, Redwing would always park on Brixton Water Lane by Rush Common, even more so after the red route was introduced. Even when I went on the local church excursions to the seaside in the 90's, Mitcham Belle wouldn't park at bus stops but would park right next to the Brixton Water Lane one or opposite Lambert Road other than trips to Southend where they'd park between Trent Road & Horsford Road.
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Post by Dillon95 on Jan 28, 2020 8:11:08 GMT
No one had been on the bus except the driver, it had come straight from the garage. Is there a possibility the bus drove past a car that had someone smoking it. if you have you heaters on it sucks the air from outside and takes ages for it to vent out. I hate driving my car past people smoking driving it and then may have to open my windows. I don't know how some people get away from smoking it at the wheel, its like saying 2 fingers up to the police. No I know when someone is stoned by observing their behaviour it was the bus driver without a doubt. He thought it's pitch black past 10pm at night in the middle of no where, he'll get away with a sneaky joint.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 9:04:38 GMT
Is there a possibility the bus drove past a car that had someone smoking it. if you have you heaters on it sucks the air from outside and takes ages for it to vent out. I hate driving my car past people smoking driving it and then may have to open my windows. I don't know how some people get away from smoking it at the wheel, its like saying 2 fingers up to the police. No I know when someone is stoned by observing their behaviour it was the bus driver without a doubt. He thought it's pitch black past 10pm at night in the middle of no where, he'll get away with a sneaky joint. Sorry but if you felt that strongly about this you would have phoned the police or even the bus company. Shouldn't throw around accusations like this. Sorry I know I sound blunt and harsh.
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Post by Paul on Jan 28, 2020 9:52:16 GMT
What are the rules on private coaches (e.g. for school trips) stopping in marked bus stop cages? TfL state on their website that it shouldn't be done but it isn't enforced. Ever. We used to have a problem with foreign coaches parking on the Gravel Pit Way stand in Orpington back when the R7 terminated there. Often they would park two coaches in the bay leaving us nowhere to take our stand time. We would call CentreComm and they would ask for the registration numbers of the coaches. I’m aware of at least two drivers being forced to pay a fine before they were let back into the country so TfL must enforce the rules sometimes
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Post by snowman on Jan 28, 2020 10:05:41 GMT
What are the rules on private coaches (e.g. for school trips) stopping in marked bus stop cages? There should be a yellow plate with the restrictions facing the road on a pole. Usually says something like No stopping at anytime except buses So then get into the realms of what is a bus (is a coach a bus, what about buses operated by coach companies etc)
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Post by vjaska on Jan 28, 2020 10:47:13 GMT
What are the rules on private coaches (e.g. for school trips) stopping in marked bus stop cages? There should be a yellow plate with the restrictions facing the road on a pole. Usually says something like No stopping at anytime except buses So then get into the realms of what is a bus (is a coach a bus, what about buses operated by coach companies etc) Some plates clarify this by saying except LT buses - believe the plates on the stops on Brixton Hill show this.
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Post by rif153 on Jan 28, 2020 11:03:20 GMT
No one had been on the bus except the driver, it had come straight from the garage. The stench of cannabis really does hang around (Can't stand the smell and living in east London where its a real issue I smell it daily) so could have been from a previous trip the bus was used on, or someone had been smoking upstairs. I have also been driving my car and its come through the air vents from passing cars (Scary thought people driving whilst high).
I try to avoid the 260 where possible for that reason as it seems every time I go on it there's some antisocial behavior, last time I went on the route I experienced a passenger smoking cannabis.
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