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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 0:47:21 GMT
Yes I would say it's safe. It's relatively lightly used outside of school times and even the schools it serves are well behaved (all the private ones in Woodford). It's positively rural out through Buckhurst Hill to Loughton. The only potentially "rough" end is the large Debden estate but even then it's not exactly the depths of depravity. I discount Walthamstow and Leyton simply because I live in the area and I've not personally encountered trouble in decades (I'll probably get beaten up tomorrow having said that ). I had to use it a fair bit a few months ago and it seemed that the drivers knew a lot of the passengers and many of those, at least at off peaks, were older people. Nowt to worry about from them. The question got me thinking - what are potentially “unsafe” routes (esp late in the evening once it’s dark)? I have done a bunch of end to ends over the past few months and while there hasn’t been anything unpleasant, maybe discretion is better nowadays .... The 18 springs to mind. The dramas I’ve witnessed on that route, I admire the drivers. They put up with a lot.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 23, 2019 1:03:20 GMT
Would you guys say the 20 is a safe route? Just wondering beachside I might get it tomorrow if the E400CITY come out Yes I would say it's safe. It's relatively lightly used outside of school times and even the schools it serves are well behaved (all the private ones in Woodford). It's positively rural out through Buckhurst Hill to Loughton. The only potentially "rough" end is the large Debden estate but even then it's not exactly the depths of depravity. I discount Walthamstow and Leyton simply because I live in the area and I've not personally encountered trouble in decades (I'll probably get beaten up tomorrow having said that ). I had to use it a fair bit a few months ago and it seemed that the drivers knew a lot of the passengers and many of those, at least at off peaks, were older people. Nowt to worry about from them. It was always a high route for vandalism and yob behaviour on the Debden Estate, so be careful of projectiles.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2019 1:35:57 GMT
Yes I would say it's safe. It's relatively lightly used outside of school times and even the schools it serves are well behaved (all the private ones in Woodford). It's positively rural out through Buckhurst Hill to Loughton. The only potentially "rough" end is the large Debden estate but even then it's not exactly the depths of depravity. I discount Walthamstow and Leyton simply because I live in the area and I've not personally encountered trouble in decades (I'll probably get beaten up tomorrow having said that ). I had to use it a fair bit a few months ago and it seemed that the drivers knew a lot of the passengers and many of those, at least at off peaks, were older people. Nowt to worry about from them. It was always a high route for vandalism and yob behaviour on the Debden Estate, so be careful of projectiles. Coming from Brixton, if the best they can muster is yob behaviour & projectiles, then I think we can all rest easy having seen & heard the things that have gone on my area Londonbuses54 crime can and will happen anywhere so don't let dictate where you want to go. I've done the 20 full length in both directions on two occasions in the past couple of weeks and honestly, you'll be fine - did a Friday & Saturday afternoon and had not trouble at all.
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Post by Londonbuses54 on Mar 23, 2019 6:04:19 GMT
Ok thanks for your replies. What is the last stop that it stops at in the council estate towards Walthamstow? I’m only slightly worried because I’m planning on doing it quite late at night
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Post by sid on Mar 23, 2019 6:44:00 GMT
Ok thanks for your replies. What is the last stop that it stops at in the council estate towards Walthamstow? I’m only slightly worried because I’m planning on doing it quite late at night Honestly you're making a fuss about nothing, I've been on the 20 before and never seen anything untoward, Debden isn't exactly The Bronx!
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Post by ibus246 on Mar 23, 2019 6:51:39 GMT
The question got me thinking - what are potentially “unsafe” routes (esp late in the evening once it’s dark)? I have done a bunch of end to ends over the past few months and while there hasn’t been anything unpleasant, maybe discretion is better nowadays .... The 18 springs to mind. The dramas I’ve witnessed on that route, I admire the drivers. They put up with a lot. The only route where I’ve ever seen five buses bunched together in service heading along the Euston Road
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Post by ibus246 on Mar 23, 2019 6:53:01 GMT
Yes I would say it's safe. It's relatively lightly used outside of school times and even the schools it serves are well behaved (all the private ones in Woodford). It's positively rural out through Buckhurst Hill to Loughton. The only potentially "rough" end is the large Debden estate but even then it's not exactly the depths of depravity. I discount Walthamstow and Leyton simply because I live in the area and I've not personally encountered trouble in decades (I'll probably get beaten up tomorrow having said that ). I had to use it a fair bit a few months ago and it seemed that the drivers knew a lot of the passengers and many of those, at least at off peaks, were older people. Nowt to worry about from them. The question got me thinking - what are potentially “unsafe” routes (esp late in the evening once it’s dark)? I have done a bunch of end to ends over the past few months and while there hasn’t been anything unpleasant, maybe discretion is better nowadays .... Instead of listing individual routes, the simple answer is, surely, that it depends on the area the route traverses.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 11:10:40 GMT
Thanks for the replies re this months TLB. Still hasn't arrived I think something with my renewal as this would be my first issue despite paying 2 months early.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2019 11:36:18 GMT
Ok thanks for your replies. What is the last stop that it stops at in the council estate towards Walthamstow? I’m only slightly worried because I’m planning on doing it quite late at night Do you mean towards Debden as that's where the estate is located? Towards Walthamstow, the last stop is Walthamstow Central Bus Station and towards Debden, the last stop is the bus stand at Debden Station just opposite the Sainsbury's. The estate is located between Loughton Homebase & the stop before Debden Broadway. If you go from Walthamstow to Debden, you could then jump on the Central Line afterwards.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 23, 2019 12:59:49 GMT
Ok thanks for your replies. What is the last stop that it stops at in the council estate towards Walthamstow? I’m only slightly worried because I’m planning on doing it quite late at night I wouldn't worry at all. Just go for a ride from Walthamstow Central to Loughton Stn (or the reverse). In each case you're in an area where there will be other people and TfL / LU staff around. The tube will get you back to wherever you need to get to or there are other buses (only the 20 and 167 (as TfL services) at Loughton late in the evening as the 397 stops around 2000). If you go on to Debden stay on til the Broadway. The tube stn is a short walk. The easiest thing to do by way of reassurance is just to look on Google Maps and Streetview as to what an area looks like and what the walking route is. This is what I do if I am going somewhere unfamiliar and I want a bit of reassurance as to how to make a connection between buses or to find a stn.
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Post by Londonbuses54 on Mar 23, 2019 13:37:44 GMT
Ok thanks for your replies. What is the last stop that it stops at in the council estate towards Walthamstow? I’m only slightly worried because I’m planning on doing it quite late at night I wouldn't worry at all. Just go for a ride from Walthamstow Central to Loughton Stn (or the reverse). In each case you're in an area where there will be other people and TfL / LU staff around. The tube will get you back to wherever you need to get to or there are other buses (only the 20 and 167 (as TfL services) at Loughton late in the evening as the 397 stops around 2000). If you go on to Debden stay on til the Broadway. The tube stn is a short walk. The easiest thing to do by way of reassurance is just to look on Google Maps and Streetview as to what an area looks like and what the walking route is. This is what I do if I am going somewhere unfamiliar and I want a bit of reassurance as to how to make a connection between buses or to find a stn. I’ve watched a route visual and found people were exaggerating online. I was reading what the area is like and there were loads of reports of violence etc, but it happens anywhere so I’m just gonna do it end to end
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Post by busaholic on Mar 23, 2019 18:17:04 GMT
The question got me thinking - what are potentially “unsafe” routes (esp late in the evening once it’s dark)? I have done a bunch of end to ends over the past few months and while there hasn’t been anything unpleasant, maybe discretion is better nowadays .... Instead of listing individual routes, the simple answer is, surely, that it depends on the area the route traverses. I wouldn't even say that: it depends on the misfortune of meeting an individual, or group of them, who are bent on causing trouble. Who would think that going to Tesco in Stanwell last Saturday evening might get a stranger trying to murder you (allegedly)? My wife was robbed at knifepoint two minutes from Blackheath Station on a Sunday evening in 1985 which led, indirectly, to our decision to leave London, but there was no 'epidemic' of such crime in the area, just an opportunist coward.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 23, 2019 19:13:51 GMT
The question got me thinking - what are potentially “unsafe” routes (esp late in the evening once it’s dark)? I have done a bunch of end to ends over the past few months and while there hasn’t been anything unpleasant, maybe discretion is better nowadays .... I think the basic position is that the transport network is safe to use. The likelihood of encountering crime or being a victim is very small. That said you can encounter a problematic person anywhere at any time of day. It only takes something stupid like a wrong glance or to be in someone's way for a nanosecond. I was verbally abused on Walthamstow High Street last year because I didn't give way to a buggy. The father decided this was some sort of gross offence and decided to give me a torrent of swear words. His wife, who was pushing the buggy, said nothing and didn't say anything about me stepping through a narrow space first and then stepping to one side to let her and the buggy past. It's not as if I touched her or the buggy. I have to say that encounter ruined my day and has made me very reticent about people pushing buggies. Since when there was a "law" that requires them to have absolute priority over everybody??? I've travelled by public transport the world over, including the New York subway in the middle of the night, and rarely had any sort of issue. Part of that is down to understanding how to use public transport systems, some of it is advance research and the rest is just being able to look reasonably self assured and not like a potential victim. None of that's a guarantee but I think it helps keep the risk down. I don't often use public transport after dark unless I specifically have to go somewhere. I don't do "end to end" trips at night largely because frequencies can be low and I just wouldn't want to get stuck on the wrong side of London or be at the mercy of a last train connection.
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Post by sid on Mar 23, 2019 19:34:13 GMT
The question got me thinking - what are potentially “unsafe” routes (esp late in the evening once it’s dark)? I have done a bunch of end to ends over the past few months and while there hasn’t been anything unpleasant, maybe discretion is better nowadays .... I think the basic position is that the transport network is safe to use. The likelihood of encountering crime or being a victim is very small. That said you can encounter a problematic person anywhere at any time of day. It only takes something stupid like a wrong glance or to be in someone's way for a nanosecond. I was verbally abused on Walthamstow High Street last year because I didn't give way to a buggy. The father decided this was some sort of gross offence and decided to give me a torrent of swear words. His wife, who was pushing the buggy, said nothing and didn't say anything about me stepping through a narrow space first and then stepping to one side to let her and the buggy past. It's not as if I touched her or the buggy. I have to say that encounter ruined my day and has made me very reticent about people pushing buggies. Since when there was a "law" that requires them to have absolute priority over everybody??? I've travelled by public transport the world over, including the New York subway in the middle of the night, and rarely had any sort of issue. Part of that is down to understanding how to use public transport systems, some of it is advance research and the rest is just being able to look reasonably self assured and not like a potential victim. None of that's a guarantee but I think it helps keep the risk down. I don't often use public transport after dark unless I specifically have to go somewhere. I don't do "end to end" trips at night largely because frequencies can be low and I just wouldn't want to get stuck on the wrong side of London or be at the mercy of a last train connection. I push buggies from time to time and I certainly don't behave like that, as with cycling it's the person not the equipment. I've also used the supposedly notorious New York subway and I found it no different to using the tube in London.
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Post by Pilot on Mar 24, 2019 20:47:43 GMT
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