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Post by londonbusboy on May 21, 2019 20:30:09 GMT
Pretty sure the switch to disable the halt brake is above the rear doors on e200s. Engineers may not have switched it back.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 20:36:15 GMT
Pretty sure the switch to disable the halt brake is above the rear doors on e200s. Engineers may not have switched it back. On the WVL/N pictured in the video, even if the override switch for the mid door is on, an alarm will continuously sound. Whilst it does allow the bus to drive with the doors open, the alarm that plays when the handbrake is deactivated whilst the doors are open still plays.
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Post by galwhv69 on May 21, 2019 20:39:17 GMT
Pretty sure the switch to disable the halt brake is above the rear doors on e200s. Engineers may not have switched it back. On the WVL/N pictured in the video, even if the override switch for the mid door is on, an alarm will continuously sound. Whilst it does allow the bus to drive with the doors open, the alarm that plays when the handbrake is deactivated whilst the doors are open still plays. Perhaps the alarm speaker was faulty?
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Post by Londonbuses54 on May 21, 2019 20:53:11 GMT
Pretty sure the switch to disable the halt brake is above the rear doors on e200s. Engineers may not have switched it back. On the WVL/N pictured in the video, even if the override switch for the mid door is on, an alarm will continuously sound. Whilst it does allow the bus to drive with the doors open, the alarm that plays when the handbrake is deactivated whilst the doors are open still plays. It wasn’t on my 51 either. I always hear it on Gem3 when drivers accelerate slightly early. Perhaps G2 don’t have it??
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Post by londonbusboy on May 21, 2019 21:08:22 GMT
ah sorry i thought it was an e200 lol
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 21:19:43 GMT
On the WVL/N pictured in the video, even if the override switch for the mid door is on, an alarm will continuously sound. Whilst it does allow the bus to drive with the doors open, the alarm that plays when the handbrake is deactivated whilst the doors are open still plays. It wasn’t on my 51 either. I always hear it on Gem3 when drivers accelerate slightly early. Perhaps G2 don’t have it?? WVLs have that alarm too on the rear door. The reason you would hear it as a passenger is if the driver has released the handbrake before the back doors have finished closing.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 21:20:39 GMT
On the WVL/N pictured in the video, even if the override switch for the mid door is on, an alarm will continuously sound. Whilst it does allow the bus to drive with the doors open, the alarm that plays when the handbrake is deactivated whilst the doors are open still plays. Perhaps the alarm speaker was faulty? I'd bet on the doors being faulty instead.
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Post by SILENCED on May 21, 2019 21:29:20 GMT
Yes it happened to me once. It was one of the WVL first day on the 51. They seemed to have all sorts of problems on that day. The driver didn’t choose to though, they wouldn’t shut I thought there was a safety feature preventing the bus being moved with plug doors open but clearly not. I think the driver might have some explaining to do. The safety features failed then ... sure engineering have more explaining to do!
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Post by SILENCED on May 21, 2019 21:31:23 GMT
Tried it plenty of times in a right hand drive vehicle ... not sure why I would want to try it in a left hand drive vehicle ... to their mirrors get mixed up? Nothing to do with mirrors. The roundabout is a relic from the 1960s and no longer fit for purpose. London roads are a relic of Victorian times ... so you now supporting my view that London Roads need a complete remap as none of them are fit for purpose?
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Post by Pilot on May 21, 2019 22:07:09 GMT
Engineers got their own tricks up their sleeves sometimes to trick the systems into thinking it's all good, while fixing the issue in different way. Best one (for same problem) from what I think they've done is they managed to fix the door in their own way, but then the system would just prevent bus from moving off so what they've done is somehow made sure the brake is always applied at like 1% or more, so the bus is technically constantly braking (which you won't notice without knowing it) therefore allowing the system to think it's safe to move off lol, but there could be more to it...and that's mostly because calling ADL engineer is their last resort which costs extra money which they probably don't want to spend, and then when ADL engineer arrives and finds that it's been fixed in an 'engineering way' and not the 'ADL standards way) they'll charge them even more probably.
This could potentially be half horlicks, but I've seen things.
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Post by ibus246 on May 21, 2019 23:28:22 GMT
They could of improved it without wasting money on it - as the poster above said, a restriction like at Bank could of easily achieved the same result. Just another example of scapegoating a perfectly reasonable roundabout if people actually concentrated on driving properly rather than everyone needing their hands held. But it's not a perfectly reasonable roundabout, try it in a left hand drive vehicle. It's awkward enough in a right hand drive. I must admit, I’ve cycled across that roundabout several times going to/from Finsbury Square and there has always been an un-easy feeling. The lane markings are poor too.
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Post by sid on May 22, 2019 4:44:58 GMT
Driver on the 476 allegedly driving with the back door open. Is that actually possible? I can't get the video to play on my phone? The rear doors should have an interlock on them that prevents the bus from moving whilst the doors are open. If the interlock is not working, the bus should not be in service, and that bus should have been taken off the road immediately. That's what I thought, it's astonishing that a driver would continue driving with the doors open especially with passengers on board.
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Post by Pilot on May 22, 2019 10:57:58 GMT
I bet the guy reported it to TFL first rather than finding out if the driver even knows about this, I've had this problem myself with no warning and when passenger shouted from the rear about it I stopped where safe and investigated. I find it hard to believe driver would keep on going like this for heck of it.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 12:03:53 GMT
But it's not a perfectly reasonable roundabout, try it in a left hand drive vehicle. It's awkward enough in a right hand drive. I must admit, I’ve cycled across that roundabout several times going to/from Finsbury Square and there has always been an un-easy feeling. The lane markings are poor too. I know just what you mean. I've used that roundabout on my motorbike many times and felt I'm taking my life in my hands..................seems we're regarded as collateral
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Post by bookd on May 22, 2019 14:29:02 GMT
Is this a conflation of two issues? I see no problem with doors being open, and as an old codger that used to be normal - indeed when the RFs were introduced the Police would not allow them to have closing doors in the Central area as open doors were considered safer. On the other hand if people expect the doors to be closed on a busy bus that would be a risk if the mechanism doesn't work and the bus should be taken out of service.
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