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Post by sid on May 22, 2019 16:54:52 GMT
Is this a conflation of two issues? I see no problem with doors being open, and as an old codger that used to be normal - indeed when the RFs were introduced the Police would not allow them to have closing doors in the Central area as open doors were considered safer. On the other hand if people expect the doors to be closed on a busy bus that would be a risk if the mechanism doesn't work and the bus should be taken out of service. I can remember when just about every bus in Central London had an open platform and on doored buses it was allowed, well nobody said otherwise, to have the front door open during hot weather. I can vividly remember a DMS on the 50 with both doors open during a heatwave which seemed a bit risky even in those pre H&S days. We don't know whether the driver on that 476 knew the back doors were open but surely they would have spotted the plug doors protruding when looking in the nearside mirror even if passengers hadn't alerted them?
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Post by Pilot on May 22, 2019 19:13:00 GMT
So I've been on 21 from start to finish Monday night, I gotta say LTZ was a really smooth ride from start to finish, I felt like I was driving in a limo or something, and it's not because the driver was good (which he was) the suspension felt you don't get thrown about like you do on EH's or WHV's. I don't have comment on how it is to drive that thing for driver, but as a passenger, man...I really wanna ride it again lol, plus the interior looks premium and it's spacey, almost have nothing negative to say.
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Post by 15002 on May 22, 2019 19:34:24 GMT
So I've been on 21 from start to finish Monday night, I gotta say LTZ was a really smooth ride from start to finish, I felt like I was driving in a limo or something, and it's not because the driver was good (which he was) the suspension felt you don't get thrown about like you do on EH's or WHV's. I don't have comment on how it is to drive that thing for driver, but as a passenger, man...I really wanna ride it again lol, plus the interior looks premium and it's spacey, almost have nothing negative to say. Couldn’t agree more. A very under appreciated bus imo. I do prefer the E400Hs a lot more to an LT but I definitely enjoy my rides on them for the reasons you said
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Post by vjaska on May 22, 2019 22:01:21 GMT
So I've been on 21 from start to finish Monday night, I gotta say LTZ was a really smooth ride from start to finish, I felt like I was driving in a limo or something, and it's not because the driver was good (which he was) the suspension felt you don't get thrown about like you do on EH's or WHV's. I don't have comment on how it is to drive that thing for driver, but as a passenger, man...I really wanna ride it again lol, plus the interior looks premium and it's spacey, almost have nothing negative to say. Try riding them in hot weather and you'll found out just how awful the experience is in comparison to a EH or WHV where your not being cooked alive - thankfully, I was outside London today so didn't have the displeasure of riding one.
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Post by sid on May 22, 2019 22:11:53 GMT
So I've been on 21 from start to finish Monday night, I gotta say LTZ was a really smooth ride from start to finish, I felt like I was driving in a limo or something, and it's not because the driver was good (which he was) the suspension felt you don't get thrown about like you do on EH's or WHV's. I don't have comment on how it is to drive that thing for driver, but as a passenger, man...I really wanna ride it again lol, plus the interior looks premium and it's spacey, almost have nothing negative to say. Try riding them in hot weather and you'll found out just how awful the experience is in comparison to a EH or WHV where your not being cooked alive - thankfully, I was outside London today so didn't have the displeasure of riding one. Just for the record I travelled on LT689 on the 3 today and it was perfectly pleasant. I don't think we really need to go over all this hot air again do we?
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Post by vjaska on May 22, 2019 22:17:21 GMT
Try riding them in hot weather and you'll found out just how awful the experience is in comparison to a EH or WHV where your not being cooked alive - thankfully, I was outside London today so didn't have the displeasure of riding one. Just for the record I travelled on LT689 on the 3 today and it was perfectly pleasant. I don't think we really need to go over all this hot air again do we? With all due respect, I'm entitled to my opinion - I find it very ironic how when anyone criticises certain types of vehicles on here like the Streetlite or Streetdeck, you say nothing but someone criticises a certain type of bus that you happen to like and you begin to dictate what can & can't be said. Your very much entitled to like the bus and disagree with me but at least let me be entitled to my opinion as well please I'll say no more on the matter now.
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Post by busoccultation on May 22, 2019 22:35:31 GMT
So I've been on 21 from start to finish Monday night, I gotta say LTZ was a really smooth ride from start to finish, I felt like I was driving in a limo or something, and it's not because the driver was good (which he was) the suspension felt you don't get thrown about like you do on EH's or WHV's. I don't have comment on how it is to drive that thing for driver, but as a passenger, man...I really wanna ride it again lol, plus the interior looks premium and it's spacey, almost have nothing negative to say. Couldn’t agree more. A very under appreciated bus imo. I do prefer the E400Hs a lot more to an LT but I definitely enjoy my rides on them for the reasons you said True, a lot of people tend to see a one small flaw with a LT (e.g. how it being in the summer) as a massive thing where if this similar issue is found on normal type of bus then most people don't seem to be bothered at all.
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Post by vjaska on May 22, 2019 22:50:38 GMT
Couldn’t agree more. A very under appreciated bus imo. I do prefer the E400Hs a lot more to an LT but I definitely enjoy my rides on them for the reasons you said True, a lot of people tend to see a one small flaw with a LT (e.g. how it being in the summer) as a massive thing where if this similar issue is found on normal type of bus then most people don't seem to be bothered at all. Just for the record, that's not the only issue I have with them but I'm not allowed to clarify any further
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Post by SILENCED on May 22, 2019 22:59:46 GMT
Just for the record I travelled on LT689 on the 3 today and it was perfectly pleasant. I don't think we really need to go over all this hot air again do we? With all due respect, I'm entitled to my opinion - I find it very ironic how when anyone criticises certain types of vehicles on here like the Streetlite or Streetdeck, you say nothing but someone criticises a certain type of bus that you happen to like and you begin to dictate what can & can't be said. Your very much entitled to like the bus and disagree with me but at least let me be entitled to my opinion as well please I'll say no more on the matter now. 🤣😂😅😁👍
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Post by redbus on May 22, 2019 23:02:35 GMT
Tried it plenty of times in a right hand drive vehicle ... not sure why I would want to try it in a left hand drive vehicle ... to their mirrors get mixed up? Nothing to do with mirrors. The roundabout is a relic from the 1960s and no longer fit for purpose. Unfortunately most of our roads are relics from another era, usually horse and cart. They are also from era of far fewer people who travelled far less. For better or worse our modern economy relies on people being able to travel efficiently, cheaply and quickly, and our roads are not fit for purpose at all in that respect. It would be impossible to start again without ripping up London and that won't happen (thankfully), so it is a case of making the best of what we have. I use Old Street regularly, usually by bus, although I have driven around it as well. It can understand that it can daunting and see the dangers if you don't know the roundabout. Certainly I think the roundabout could easily be improved whilst leaving it as a roundabout, but that's another story. Whether Old Street will be any more fit for purpose after these changes is another question.
The key here will be what happens to the accident rate following the changes. I am not convinced the changes being made will resolve the big issues, and further changes may well be required. If so this would be typical of what happens when you make changes according to fashion.
Anyway let us hope for the best and a significant reduction in accidents. I hope no one will find the junction daunting or dangerous after these changes. What I do think should happen is that the road improvement department (or whichever department in TfL designed and implemented these changes) should pay the TfL bus department £100,000 per year, as I understand that will be the extra cost of running the bus service after these changes. The bus subsidy should not be increased or services cut to fund the extra costs to buses as a result of this (or other) schemes.
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Post by 6HP502C on May 23, 2019 0:53:52 GMT
The rear doors should have an interlock on them that prevents the bus from moving whilst the doors are open. If the interlock is not working, the bus should not be in service, and that bus should have been taken off the road immediately. To be fair some batches of buses remained in service for years with ropey rear door interlocks that never did get fixed. I noticed this was usually buses where the beep played when the doors opened as well as closed. ALX400s and Presidents with certain types of swing door were affected by this.
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Post by sid on May 23, 2019 4:52:00 GMT
Couldn’t agree more. A very under appreciated bus imo. I do prefer the E400Hs a lot more to an LT but I definitely enjoy my rides on them for the reasons you said True, a lot of people tend to see a one small flaw with a LT (e.g. how it being in the summer) as a massive thing where if this similar issue is found on normal type of bus then most people don't seem to be bothered at all. Exactly that, it's easy to find fault with any type of bus if somebody is determined to do so.
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Post by sid on May 23, 2019 5:07:06 GMT
Nothing to do with mirrors. The roundabout is a relic from the 1960s and no longer fit for purpose. Unfortunately most of our roads are relics from another era, usually horse and cart. They are also from era of far fewer people who travelled far less. For better or worse our modern economy relies on people being able to travel efficiently, cheaply and quickly, and our roads are not fit for purpose at all in that respect. It would be impossible to start again without ripping up London and that won't happen (thankfully), so it is a case of making the best of what we have. I use Old Street regularly, usually by bus, although I have driven around it as well. It can understand that it can daunting and see the dangers if you don't know the roundabout. Certainly I think the roundabout could easily be improved whilst leaving it as a roundabout, but that's another story. Whether Old Street will be any more fit for purpose after these changes is another question.
The key here will be what happens to the accident rate following the changes. I am not convinced the changes being made will resolve the big issues, and further changes may well be required. If so this would be typical of what happens when you make changes according to fashion.
Anyway let us hope for the best and a significant reduction in accidents. I hope no one will find the junction daunting or dangerous after these changes. What I do think should happen is that the road improvement department (or whichever department in TfL designed and implemented these changes) should pay the TfL bus department £100,000 per year, as I understand that will be the extra cost of running the bus service after these changes. The bus subsidy should not be increased or services cut to fund the extra costs to buses as a result of this (or other) schemes.
I don't know where that £100,000 figure has come from but yes if we were starting again from scratch the road network would be built differently but we just have to make the best of what we've got. In any other walk of life safety is paramount and I don't see why roads should be any different.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 7:10:22 GMT
Couldn’t agree more. A very under appreciated bus imo. I do prefer the E400Hs a lot more to an LT but I definitely enjoy my rides on them for the reasons you said True, a lot of people tend to see a one small flaw with a LT (e.g. how it being in the summer) as a massive thing where if this similar issue is found on normal type of bus then most people don't seem to be bothered at all. What I find different on the LT is they just feel so stuffy like no air is flowing around. I don't think the lower ceiling and smaller windows help. I do see boarding passengers looking for windows to open more on LTs than other buses. That's the only issue I have with LTs and think they have uses especially in busy routes like the EL1 at Ilford.
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Post by sid on May 23, 2019 7:43:28 GMT
True, a lot of people tend to see a one small flaw with a LT (e.g. how it being in the summer) as a massive thing where if this similar issue is found on normal type of bus then most people don't seem to be bothered at all. What I find different on the LT is they just feel so stuffy like no air is flowing around. I don't think the lower ceiling and smaller windows help. I do see boarding passengers looking for windows to open more on LTs than other buses. That's the only issue I have with LTs and think they have uses especially in busy routes like the EL1 at Ilford. The smaller windows actually reduce the greenhouse effect, buses with unnecessarily large windows are the worst for that.
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