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Post by shroudoffrost on May 27, 2019 13:45:50 GMT
Did the 258 end to end today. On the South Harrow-Harrow Town Centre section there was appalling congestion around Harrow School as a result of the narrow roads and the sheer number of cars. I don’t think sending the 395 this way to add to the congestion is a good idea, it’ll just hamper the 395 because of all the congestion on that section and to be honest, I don’t see why there’s any need to reroute the 395 If the 395 does get re-routed I imagine the 258 will still continue to South Harrow via Lower Road. By doing this, you've indirectly increased capacity between Harrow - South Harrow which is needed. In fact, I could even suggest that route could be extended up to Rayners Lane via the A4090.
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Post by COBO on May 27, 2019 14:53:58 GMT
Did the 258 end to end today. On the South Harrow-Harrow Town Centre section there was appalling congestion around Harrow School as a result of the narrow roads and the sheer number of cars. I don’t think sending the 395 this way to add to the congestion is a good idea, it’ll just hamper the 395 because of all the congestion on that section and to be honest, I don’t see why there’s any need to reroute the 395 If the 395 does get re-routed I imagine the 258 will still continue to South Harrow via Lower Road. By doing this, you've indirectly increased capacity between Harrow - South Harrow which is needed. In fact, I could even suggest that route could be extended up to Rayners Lane via the A4090. But problem is that the 395 is a single deck route. It would better if another double decker route followed the 258 rather than rerouting the 395.
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Post by shroudoffrost on May 27, 2019 15:03:58 GMT
If the 395 does get re-routed I imagine the 258 will still continue to South Harrow via Lower Road. By doing this, you've indirectly increased capacity between Harrow - South Harrow which is needed. In fact, I could even suggest that route could be extended up to Rayners Lane via the A4090. But problem is that the 395 is a single deck route. It would better if another double decker route followed the 258 rather than rerouting the 395. Not a problem imo, that section is lightly used and single deckers will easily cope with loadings. I would rather those deckers be put to use where demand is needed rather than carrying fresh air most of the time. The kids will adapt when they notice the change, the college really isn't far from Northolt Road.
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Post by vjaska on May 27, 2019 15:07:24 GMT
Did the 258 end to end today. On the South Harrow-Harrow Town Centre section there was appalling congestion around Harrow School as a result of the narrow roads and the sheer number of cars. I don’t think sending the 395 this way to add to the congestion is a good idea, it’ll just hamper the 395 because of all the congestion on that section and to be honest, I don’t see why there’s any need to reroute the 395 If the 395 does get re-routed I imagine the 258 will still continue to South Harrow via Lower Road. By doing this, you've indirectly increased capacity between Harrow - South Harrow which is needed. In fact, I could even suggest that route could be extended up to Rayners Lane via the A4090. You could increase capacity by diverting something else though - leaving the 395 to serve the college only moves the issue about. Surely leave the 395 & 258 as they are but look at increasing the frequency of the 395 which is needed IMO.
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Post by COBO on May 27, 2019 15:35:03 GMT
But problem is that the 395 is a single deck route. It would better if another double decker route followed the 258 rather than rerouting the 395. Not a problem imo, that section is lightly used and single deckers will easily cope with loadings. I would rather those deckers be put to use where demand is needed rather than carrying fresh air most of the time. The kids will adapt when they notice the change, the college really isn't far from Northolt Road. I wouldn’t say that the 258 carries fresh air in those parts because at peak time it can be bursting with kids. I also seen the H17 bursting.
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Post by kmkcheng on May 27, 2019 16:52:59 GMT
Not a problem imo, that section is lightly used and single deckers will easily cope with loadings. I would rather those deckers be put to use where demand is needed rather than carrying fresh air most of the time. The kids will adapt when they notice the change, the college really isn't far from Northolt Road. I wouldn’t say that the 258 carries fresh air in those parts because at peak time it can be bursting with kids. I also seen the H17 bursting. The Harrow on the Hill section for the 258 is only busy at school times. Otherwise it does tend to carry fresh air. I use to go to that college and I went when the 258 was dart-operated and it did use to leave some kids behind. I regularly walked down the hill to Northolt Road as it gave me an extra option of the 140 to get back home to Harrow Weald
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Post by COBO on May 27, 2019 17:23:47 GMT
I wouldn’t say that the 258 carries fresh air in those parts because at peak time it can be bursting with kids. I also seen the H17 bursting. The Harrow on the Hill section for the 258 is only busy at school times. Otherwise it does tend to carry fresh air. I use to go to that college and I went when the 258 was dart-operated and it did use to leave some kids behind. I regularly walked down the hill to Northolt Road as it gave me an extra option of the 140 to get back home to Harrow Weald Aren’t most routes busy at school times I think that it would better to increase the frequency of the 258 or have a route with double deckers to follow the 258 to pick up the kids left behind or have a school service. Than to reroute the 395 because the 395 is already a busy route and would struggle if it was to rerouted via Roxeth Hill.
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Post by rif153 on May 27, 2019 18:24:00 GMT
The Harrow on the Hill section for the 258 is only busy at school times. Otherwise it does tend to carry fresh air. I use to go to that college and I went when the 258 was dart-operated and it did use to leave some kids behind. I regularly walked down the hill to Northolt Road as it gave me an extra option of the 140 to get back home to Harrow Weald Aren’t most routes busy at school times I think that it would better to increase the frequency of the 258 or have a route with double deckers to follow the 258 to pick up the kids left behind or have a school service. Than to reroute the 395 because the 395 is already a busy route and would struggle if it was to rerouted via Roxeth Hill. Or even have a service that starts outside the college to mop up the school kids
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Post by redbus on May 27, 2019 18:29:21 GMT
The problem with this is that there are perfectly legitimate reason why people needs to use the roads other than cycle and bus.
If you have sections bus / cycle only, how will deliveries be made, how will shops get stocked. How will people get around with bags and so on.
What is needed is a proper plan on how on move around efficiently the legitimate and proper needs of a modern city like London.
It's nothing new I've proposed though - there are number of places where these types of roads exist and have done so for years either through a timed restriction or a permanent one. In fact, I'm pretty sure some places have exceptions for delivery vehicles to get through. Putney High Street between Putney Bridge Road & Upper Richmond Road is one such place where you limit it to buses & cycles only and then if needs be, allow delivery vehicles in at certain times. Peckham may be an awful place personally but Rye Lane shows what you can do if you remove cars from the high street - the place still thrives and deliveries still get to the shops. I don't see how you can have a proper plan using the current status quo of plonking buses at the bottom and allowing car usage to grow - you either leave buses to continue being unloved and neglected when it comes to priority and their importance or you finally start tackling congestion & pollution together by restricting how many cars are on the road. Why it won't happen is because of the backlash it would provoke but it really does need to happen. Many of these local schemes work because there are other easy alternatives. The problem is when it spreads to whole areas and multiple roads.
The proper plan I would propose needs to encompass all road users and also prioritise them. . You are right about the status quo - buses are at the bottom of the priority list, and as I say that is something that would change. You will not be surprised to hear that as the only truly affordable accessible form of transport for all, buses will have a very high priority in my plan.
In order to reduce private car usage, you cannot simply just use a stick to beat people with by having ever more restrictions. A war on motorists like that ultimately will fail, what you need to do is to have carrots as well and so provide convenient easy travel alternatives for people. Walking and cycling are no doubt part of the answer, but not as much as some like to think as both modes have their limitations. Train lines cannot be built either quickly easily or cheaply, so the stand out form of transport that can help get people out of their cars is buses. This means regular frequent services to the places people wish to travel and without excessive changes. This is part of the reason why I am against so many of the bus cuts, they will just encourage and reinforce car usage.
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Post by cl54 on May 28, 2019 15:20:49 GMT
ADL have sold out to the Americans. Now owned by NFI a US manufacturer. UK management remain in place.
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Post by rif153 on May 28, 2019 15:29:35 GMT
I was waiting at the stop Lower Marsh for a bus towards Elephant and Castle. I saw a 148 coming towards the stop so I put my hand out to indicate that I wanted to board the bus. However, the bus shot by the stop. This leads me to wonder, if perhaps it can be difficult for drivers to notice people's outreached arms at that stop because it is dark and so outreached arms may be hard to notice.
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Post by sid on May 28, 2019 15:42:27 GMT
I was waiting at the stop Lower Marsh for a bus towards Elephant and Castle. I saw a 148 coming towards the stop so I put my hand out to indicate that I wanted to board the bus. However, the bus shot by the stop. This leads me to wonder, if perhaps it can be difficult for drivers to notice people's outreached arms at that stop because it is dark and so outreached arms may be hard to notice. Possibly although the driver should stop anyway if there are people at the stop regardless of whether they put their arm out or not. You can make a complaint here tfl.gov.uk/help-and-contact/contact-us-about-buses
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Post by Londonbuses54 on May 28, 2019 18:21:14 GMT
What’s the best route for Allison e200 (thrash/high revs/floored)? I know I asked about them in general, but which Allison route? Even potentially rail rep??
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Post by vjaska on May 28, 2019 19:05:18 GMT
What’s the best route for Allison e200 (thrash/high revs/floored)? I know I asked about them in general, but which Allison route? Even potentially rail rep?? Your best bet is just to go outside London - Metrobus have 15 reg Allison Enviro 200's on the 270 with some appearing on the other 270 series routes (271, 272 & 273) which have fast sections.
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Post by kanuguposho on May 28, 2019 19:15:12 GMT
What’s the best route for Allison e200 (thrash/high revs/floored)? I know I asked about them in general, but which Allison route? Even potentially rail rep?? Westerham Hill on the 246. If you like to hear Allison e200s scream at high revs going 10mph for a few minutes, try it. (Westerham-->Bromley North direction)
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