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Post by george on Jul 16, 2019 16:58:37 GMT
Not sure how full it is as the 337 also terminates there already they could cut back the 49 to the other terminus of where the 35,39,295 and C3 go and instead the 344 could cover the rest of the 49 route to Clapham junction Those stands are full no room for any more buses there. Talking about Clapham Junction stands were do the N19 and N31 stand?
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Post by WSD3 on Jul 16, 2019 17:00:11 GMT
they could cut back the 49 to the other terminus of where the 35,39,295 and C3 go and instead the 344 could cover the rest of the 49 route to Clapham junction Those stands are full no room for any more buses there. Talking about Clapham Junction stands were do the N19 and N31 stand? where the 344 terminate
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Post by george on Jul 16, 2019 17:04:04 GMT
Those stands are full no room for any more buses there. Talking about Clapham Junction stands were do the N19 and N31 stand? where the 344 terminate Thanks
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Post by rif153 on Jul 16, 2019 17:25:32 GMT
Not sure how full it is as the 337 also terminates there already they could cut back the 49 to the other terminus of where the 35,39,295 and C3 go and instead the 344 could cover the rest of the 49 route to Clapham junction The 49/337 stand overflows too as does the 35/39/295/C3 stand. Really more stand space is needed although if done right then shuffling routes between stands could work
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Post by redbus on Jul 16, 2019 17:26:09 GMT
Really feel bad for you (and a bit angry at the system). Drivers should certainly be given greater powers to remove these people off of buses, otherwise, what’s the deterrent? Its a shame to be honest. Although given the recent spate in knife / acid attacks I wouldn’t go too far out incl challenging anyone .... This sort of experience is unacceptable. Bus drivers have a right to do their job without threat. Equally TfL need to sort out enforcement, if they can't deal with matters like this, then what hope when NB4L goes front door only.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2019 17:59:21 GMT
they could cut back the 49 to the other terminus of where the 35,39,295 and C3 go and instead the 344 could cover the rest of the 49 route to Clapham junction The 49/337 stand overflows too as does the 35/39/295/C3 stand. Really more stand space is needed although if done right then shuffling routes between stands could work Whilst I agree that the stand by Clapham Junction Station is full, there should be room at Battersea Rise as there was three routes standing there which were the 49, 239 & 337. The 337 should mostly have one on stand and the 49 roughly two. Even back in the day, the stand had three routes as the 344 terminated at Clapham Junction, The Northcote.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 16, 2019 18:01:47 GMT
The 49/337 stand overflows too as does the 35/39/295/C3 stand. Really more stand space is needed although if done right then shuffling routes between stands could work Whilst I agree that the stand by Clapham Junction Station is full, there should be room at Battersea Rise as there was three routes standing there which were the 49, 239 & 337. The 337 should mostly have one on stand and the 49 roughly two. Even back in the day, the stand had three routes as the 344 terminated at Clapham Junction, The Northcote. The 239 hasn't existed for years
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2019 18:22:56 GMT
Whilst I agree that the stand by Clapham Junction Station is full, there should be room at Battersea Rise as there was three routes standing there which were the 49, 239 & 337. The 337 should mostly have one on stand and the 49 roughly two. Even back in the day, the stand had three routes as the 344 terminated at Clapham Junction, The Northcote. The 239 hasn't existed for years I’m very aware - my point is that three routes used the stands and that having looked on Google Street, there should be enough room for another route.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 16, 2019 19:34:35 GMT
they could cut back the 49 to the other terminus of where the 35,39,295 and C3 go and instead the 344 could cover the rest of the 49 route to Clapham junction The 49/337 stand overflows too as does the 35/39/295/C3 stand. Really more stand space is needed although if done right then shuffling routes between stands could work Another option is to extend one of the Clapham Junction terminating routes to the East Hill bus stand thats hardly used, baring the odd Victoria-bound curtailment of the 170.
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Post by george on Jul 16, 2019 19:39:17 GMT
The 49/337 stand overflows too as does the 35/39/295/C3 stand. Really more stand space is needed although if done right then shuffling routes between stands could work Another option is to extend one of the Clapham Junction terminating routes to the East Hill bus stand thats hardly used, baring the odd Victoria-bound curtailment of the 170. any overflowing 344s could use that stand.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 16, 2019 19:46:45 GMT
The 239 hasn't existed for years I’m very aware - my point is that three routes used the stands and that having looked on Google Street, there should be enough room for another route. One thing to consider mind you is that those routes nowadays have higher pvr/frequencies, likely resulting in more buses on the stand at certain times. Add that also to some buses that may be stationary for a length of time due to drivers being on meal reliefs.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 16, 2019 20:11:45 GMT
I’m very aware - my point is that three routes used the stands and that having looked on Google Street, there should be enough room for another route. One thing to consider mind you is that those routes nowadays have higher pvr/frequencies, likely resulting in more buses on the stand at certain times. Add that also to some buses that may be stationary for a length of time due to drivers being on meal reliefs. Precisely. Last time I found myself at the Battersea Rise stand, I was on a 337 however all the stand space on Bolingbroke Grove was occupied by 2x 49s and 2x 337s. Consequently there were no pavement side stands for the driver to let me off at so he had to go to the stand just round the corner so I had to get off the bus and onto the road. The stand around the corner usually isn't needed, space for six buses at Battersea Rise is excsessive so I think that it could be used as an overflow stand
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Post by sid on Jul 16, 2019 21:10:09 GMT
In the end yeah perhaps I could do code red, maybe TFL even covers for mileage loss in such cases if cops are involves and then I as driver have to do occurrence reports at which point the company will look at my driving standards and see me driving with one hand or something and give me the bollocking, unfortunately that's the reality of bus operating now days lol. And as for ronnie's comment with knife crime you're dead on man, that's what another fellow driver told me as well, he said just not worth arguing over 1.50 for potential stab in the back after work. Best driver advice I got in the past year I think. The joke of this is the bus Operator and TfL clearly don't care Surely a person not paying then sitting down is a revenue enforcement matter, not a police matter, Different if they are being disruptive or upsetting others due to abusive behaviour, then it is police What I mean is there should be revenue staff on call who drive (fast) to meet you, not you inconvenience other fare paying passengers by staying put. I don't like the attitude of TfL that its acceptable to disrupt others journeys, unless they are trying to discourage travel. At the very least if they do choose to hold the bus, everyone else on it ought to get some sort of automatic fare refund for the time wasted, perhaps that would focus minds on better way to deal with it. Surely it becomes a police matter if the person refuses to pay or get off the bus? Whether the police would attend such a relatively trivial incident is another matter. Revenue inspectors aren't going to be able to do anymore than the driver.
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Post by Pilot on Jul 16, 2019 21:24:14 GMT
The joke of this is the bus Operator and TfL clearly don't care Surely a person not paying then sitting down is a revenue enforcement matter, not a police matter, Different if they are being disruptive or upsetting others due to abusive behaviour, then it is police What I mean is there should be revenue staff on call who drive (fast) to meet you, not you inconvenience other fare paying passengers by staying put. I don't like the attitude of TfL that its acceptable to disrupt others journeys, unless they are trying to discourage travel. At the very least if they do choose to hold the bus, everyone else on it ought to get some sort of automatic fare refund for the time wasted, perhaps that would focus minds on better way to deal with it. Surely it becomes a police matter if the person refuses to pay or get off the bus? Whether the police would attend such a relatively trivial incident is another matter. Revenue inspectors aren't going to be able to do anymore than the driver.
Yeah but some inspectors are brutal and literally kick people off the bus, yeah even in this day and age lol, I was behind 208 like few months ago and it stopped on bromley road and I see 2 inspectors in the bus literally picking kids off by their shoulders and shoving them off the bus, I literally started laughing from joy.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2019 21:49:56 GMT
I’m very aware - my point is that three routes used the stands and that having looked on Google Street, there should be enough room for another route. One thing to consider mind you is that those routes nowadays have higher pvr/frequencies, likely resulting in more buses on the stand at certain times. Add that also to some buses that may be stationary for a length of time due to drivers being on meal reliefs. The 239 last run 11 years ago - in that time, the 337 has dropped by 1 bus & the 49 increased by 1. The 239 should have no more than two buses on stand at any one time www.londonbuses.co.uk/route-records/239.pdfThe 337 should only have 1 on stand at any time www.londonbuses.co.uk/route-records/337.pdfThe 49 should only have two buses on stand at any time www.londonbuses.co.uk/route-records/049.pdfBoth stands can hold a max of 6 buses (4 on Bolingbroke Grove & 2 on Boutflower Road)
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