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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 6, 2019 20:18:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 20:36:29 GMT
Not even attempted a bandit blind. I know a bus is better than no but but this is very poor IMO.
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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 6, 2019 20:52:08 GMT
Not even attempted a bandit blind. I know a bus is better than no but but this is very poor IMO.
I know,at least Patrick was telling people its a 26!
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Post by snoggle on Feb 7, 2019 1:05:27 GMT
This is just ridiculous really. From a bus loony point of view it's great fun but it's a shambles for the passengers. How on earth was such a bus let out in service on a key radial route into Central London? That's probably the highest amount of passengers that DAS2 has carried in the last few years.
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Post by rj131 on Feb 7, 2019 9:27:52 GMT
This is just ridiculous really. From a bus loony point of view it's great fun but it's a shambles for the passengers. How on earth was such a bus let out in service on a key radial route into Central London? That's probably the highest amount of passengers that DAS2 has carried in the last few years. I agree there. You possibly maybe could have got away with it in the middle of the day because the route generally is dead at that time of day but the 26’s peak loadings (like most) are very heavy. I think buses that size have about 24 seats, probably about another 15-20 standing (obviously couldn’t see the entire load from just the video) so that would have very well loaded a regular EnviroCity, let alone a piddly single door bus. They must have had quite a heavy fine for that working. Just speculating here but the 394 does carry very heavy loads at certain times too so I would thought DAS2 has had loads that like before
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Post by richard on Feb 7, 2019 11:03:16 GMT
This is just ridiculous really. From a bus loony point of view it's great fun but it's a shambles for the passengers. How on earth was such a bus let out in service on a key radial route into Central London? That's probably the highest amount of passengers that DAS2 has carried in the last few years. It's left it's Mark on the 26 lol
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Post by snoggle on Feb 7, 2019 13:20:32 GMT
This is just ridiculous really. From a bus loony point of view it's great fun but it's a shambles for the passengers. How on earth was such a bus let out in service on a key radial route into Central London? That's probably the highest amount of passengers that DAS2 has carried in the last few years. I agree there. You possibly maybe could have got away with it in the middle of the day because the route generally is dead at that time of day but the 26’s peak loadings (like most) are very heavy. I think buses that size have about 24 seats, probably about another 15-20 standing (obviously couldn’t see the entire load from just the video) so that would have very well loaded a regular EnviroCity, let alone a piddly single door bus. They must have had quite a heavy fine for that working. Just speculating here but the 394 does carry very heavy loads at certain times too so I would thought DAS2 has had loads that like before Thinking about this a bit more it throws up a couple of questions. One is about the level of depot management at Ash Grove. The management must know that sending a tiny bus like that out on the 26 is effectively a breach of their contract with TfL. You then have to ask how it was allowed to happen? Was the garage *really* that short of double deckers that they couldn't find a bus? Are the Enviro Cities really that hopelessly unreliable? Given DAS2 was later swapped with a decker then what happened in the intervening 2 hours to suddenly find a decker? I also wonder if this was some sort of "joke" that was allowed to happen because "celebrity driver" Patrick was at the wheel. If it was then that begs rather a lot of questions too. I may be "overthinking" this but it's really not good enough the more you consider what happened. On a different note it does paint an interesting picture of demand along the Liv St - Cambridge Heath corridor where TfL are proposing to remove 6 double deckers an hour with the cancellation of route 48. Given that 26 was picking people up at every stop and 48s were toddling along in the opposite direction at the right headway it doesn't bode well for the future.
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Post by joefrombow on Feb 7, 2019 17:25:52 GMT
I agree there. You possibly maybe could have got away with it in the middle of the day because the route generally is dead at that time of day but the 26’s peak loadings (like most) are very heavy. I think buses that size have about 24 seats, probably about another 15-20 standing (obviously couldn’t see the entire load from just the video) so that would have very well loaded a regular EnviroCity, let alone a piddly single door bus. They must have had quite a heavy fine for that working. Just speculating here but the 394 does carry very heavy loads at certain times too so I would thought DAS2 has had loads that like before Thinking about this a bit more it throws up a couple of questions. One is about the level of depot management at Ash Grove. The management must know that sending a tiny bus like that out on the 26 is effectively a breach of their contract with TfL. You then have to ask how it was allowed to happen? Was the garage *really* that short of double deckers that they couldn't find a bus? Are the Enviro Cities really that hopelessly unreliable? Given DAS2 was later swapped with a decker then what happened in the intervening 2 hours to suddenly find a decker? I also wonder if this was some sort of "joke" that was allowed to happen because "celebrity driver" Patrick was at the wheel. If it was then that begs rather a lot of questions too. I may be "overthinking" this but it's really not good enough the more you consider what happened. On a different note it does paint an interesting picture of demand along the Liv St - Cambridge Heath corridor where TfL are proposing to remove 6 double deckers an hour with the cancellation of route 48. Given that 26 was picking people up at every stop and 48s were toddling along in the opposite direction at the right headway it doesn't bode well for the future. Very Shocking and as you say from a Enthusiast point of view amazing but as a passenger not great at all , but what gets me is I regularly see DD workings on the D6 so maybe it's just a case of throw what we can out for now and sort it later ? I do think a Bus is better than no Bus so do we commend the fact that they make sure a Bus runs whatever the circumstance or fail them for running a Small capacity SD ? Would it be possible for them to run a duplicate journey on the iBus' system i.e two Small buses to make up for one DD ? Now that would be going above and beyond ? And how come they still have DAS2 hasn't the 394 got new buses is it just a spare ?
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Post by snoggle on Feb 7, 2019 18:14:21 GMT
Very Shocking and as you say from a Enthusiast point of view amazing but as a passenger not great at all , but what gets me is I regularly see DD workings on the D6 so maybe it's just a case of throw what we can out for now and sort it later ? I do think a Bus is better than no Bus so do we commend the fact that they make sure a Bus runs whatever the circumstance or fail them for running a Small capacity SD ? Would it be possible for them to run a duplicate journey on the iBus' system i.e two Small buses to make up for one DD ? Now that would be going above and beyond ? And how come they still have DAS2 hasn't the 394 got new buses is it just a spare ? I looked at the history of DAS1 and DAS2 the other day. Seems every so often they swap round - presumably for garage attention at Ash Grove. DAS1 is currently the 385's bus - clearly it never gets stressed on that route given the low patronage. DAS2 has been leaping about on the W5, 309 and sometimes the 394. Therefore I'd say it is retained as a bargain basement HK spare cover bus. Neither of the DAS vehicles are in good shape. DAS1 got into a parlous state where the suspension was all lopsided - eventually CT Plus deigned to fix it. It sounds worn out - just as DAS2 did on that video plus the vibration when it was stood still. On your first point if deckers are on the D6 then you have to ask why. CT Plus *must* know what the requirements are for each route. I appreciate the D6 is a busy route and lots of people would like it to have deckers but not at the cost of single deckers on the 26. What next - one of the dual door solos from the 309 on the 26? Makes you wonder how CT Plus will fare when they have to run extras on the 26 when the 48 goes. I know the 388 is to be cut back to free up resource but they should have enough resource now! I don't really go in for "fave" or "hated" operators as it's not how I view things but I'm not impressed by this latest CT Plus episode. I do just wonder if they have got to the point where they are overstretching themselves on TfL work and they simply don't have enough maintenance capacity to keep on top of the fleet needs.
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Post by busoccultation on Feb 7, 2019 18:43:12 GMT
Very Shocking and as you say from a Enthusiast point of view amazing but as a passenger not great at all , but what gets me is I regularly see DD workings on the D6 so maybe it's just a case of throw what we can out for now and sort it later ? I do think a Bus is better than no Bus so do we commend the fact that they make sure a Bus runs whatever the circumstance or fail them for running a Small capacity SD ? Would it be possible for them to run a duplicate journey on the iBus' system i.e two Small buses to make up for one DD ? Now that would be going above and beyond ? And how come they still have DAS2 hasn't the 394 got new buses is it just a spare ? I looked at the history of DAS1 and DAS2 the other day. Seems every so often they swap round - presumably for garage attention at Ash Grove. DAS1 is currently the 385's bus - clearly it never gets stressed on that route given the low patronage. DAS2 has been leaping about on the W5, 309 and sometimes the 394. Therefore I'd say it is retained as a bargain basement HK spare cover bus. Neither of the DAS vehicles are in good shape. DAS1 got into a parlous state where the suspension was all lopsided - eventually CT Plus deigned to fix it. It sounds worn out - just as DAS2 did on that video plus the vibration when it was stood still. On your first point if deckers are on the D6 then you have to ask why. CT Plus *must* know what the requirements are for each route. I appreciate the D6 is a busy route and lots of people would like it to have deckers but not at the cost of single deckers on the 26. What next - one of the dual door solos from the 309 on the 26? Makes you wonder how CT Plus will fare when they have to run extras on the 26 when the 48 goes. I know the 388 is to be cut back to free up resource but they should have enough resource now! I don't really go in for "fave" or "hated" operators as it's not how I view things but I'm not impressed by this latest CT Plus episode. I do just wonder if they have got to the point where they are overstretching themselves on TfL work and they simply don't have enough maintenance capacity to keep on top of the fleet needs. I bet you're pleased that CT Plus haven't won the 123 & 158 this time round as they were presumably the lowest bidders for those routes, but couldn't get them as there is lack of space for both routes I'd certainly don't want to see any single deckers of any lengths on both routes either especially the 123 as quite often don't have many seats left on both decks or worse having the possibility of buses getting abandoned at Bell Corner on regular basis if the new driver doesn't turn up as well
As for DAS1, a truly awful bus with unbearable amount of vibration when I went to do the 385 a few months ago and didn't enjoy riding it either. Luckily I only have to wait 5 mins for it at Chingford Station after I came off the 179 (For which I only went there to ride a specific E400 on the 179)
By the way, this isn't a any dig at CT Plus and for the record I do enjoy riding their E400 Citys every time I go on those buses.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 7, 2019 19:48:12 GMT
I bet you're pleased that CT Plus haven't won the 123 & 158 this time round as they were presumably the lowest bidders for those routes, but couldn't get them as there is lack of space for both routes I'd certainly don't want to see any single deckers of any lengths on both routes either especially the 123 as quite often don't have many seats left on both decks or worse having the possibility of buses getting abandoned at Bell Corner on regular basis if the new driver doesn't turn up as well As for DAS1, a truly awful bus with unbearable amount of vibration when I went to do the 385 a few months ago and didn't enjoy riding it either. Luckily I only have to wait 5 mins for it at Chingford Station after I came off the 179 (For which I only went there to ride a specific E400 on the 179) By the way, this isn't a any dig at CT Plus and for the record I do enjoy riding their E400 Citys every time I go on those buses. To be fair to CT Plus they seem to have got the hang of the local E17 routes they won a couple of years ago. It remains to be seen if they get the hang of route 20 when they take it on. GAL have had their moments with the 20 because traffic conditions can be so unpredictable. If CT Plus had got hold of the 123 then abandoned buses at Bell Corner would just take us back to the days of Walthamstow Garage when the Bell Corner became a sort of Bermuda Triangle on the route. Of course buses were less frequent and less reliable back then so you could have a long wait if you actually wanted to travel across Bell Corner at the peak shoulders or early mornng / late evening journeys.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 20:31:35 GMT
Probably not practical but would it ever be possible for operators that's share garages to loan buses to each other for example Arriva loaning a E400 City to CT Plus?
Not sure which garage the 20 will run from but loans take place a lot between HK and AW so the extra double deckers should help the situation and if anything I would think a single decker on the 20 would be better than the 26
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Post by vjaska on Feb 7, 2019 22:33:32 GMT
Very Shocking and as you say from a Enthusiast point of view amazing but as a passenger not great at all , but what gets me is I regularly see DD workings on the D6 so maybe it's just a case of throw what we can out for now and sort it later ? I do think a Bus is better than no Bus so do we commend the fact that they make sure a Bus runs whatever the circumstance or fail them for running a Small capacity SD ? Would it be possible for them to run a duplicate journey on the iBus' system i.e two Small buses to make up for one DD ? Now that would be going above and beyond ? And how come they still have DAS2 hasn't the 394 got new buses is it just a spare ? I looked at the history of DAS1 and DAS2 the other day. Seems every so often they swap round - presumably for garage attention at Ash Grove. DAS1 is currently the 385's bus - clearly it never gets stressed on that route given the low patronage. DAS2 has been leaping about on the W5, 309 and sometimes the 394. Therefore I'd say it is retained as a bargain basement HK spare cover bus. Neither of the DAS vehicles are in good shape. DAS1 got into a parlous state where the suspension was all lopsided - eventually CT Plus deigned to fix it. It sounds worn out - just as DAS2 did on that video plus the vibration when it was stood still. On your first point if deckers are on the D6 then you have to ask why. CT Plus *must* know what the requirements are for each route. I appreciate the D6 is a busy route and lots of people would like it to have deckers but not at the cost of single deckers on the 26. What next - one of the dual door solos from the 309 on the 26? Makes you wonder how CT Plus will fare when they have to run extras on the 26 when the 48 goes. I know the 388 is to be cut back to free up resource but they should have enough resource now! I don't really go in for "fave" or "hated" operators as it's not how I view things but I'm not impressed by this latest CT Plus episode. I do just wonder if they have got to the point where they are overstretching themselves on TfL work and they simply don't have enough maintenance capacity to keep on top of the fleet needs. Euro IV Enviro 200’s in general have not fared well in terms of their condition with there being numerous examples across all operators of them sounding or behaving awfully
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Post by dennistas on Feb 8, 2019 2:19:01 GMT
Probably not practical but would it ever be possible for operators that's share garages to loan buses to each other for example Arriva loaning a E400 City to CT Plus?
Not sure which garage the 20 will run from but loans take place a lot between HK and AW so the extra double deckers should help the situation and if anything I would think a single decker on the 20 would be better than the 26
Good question but my answer is probably no, as there totally different operators although they share garages. The 20 will run from AW as it's down the road from the Central ☺
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Feb 10, 2019 2:25:29 GMT
Just to point it out - an easy solution to the whole 26 shortage mess would be to make changes to the W13D crosslinking. That day HEA1 was on since the school kick off until 19:10!! Then it sat at Leytonstone doing nothing for over an hour. Now what is the point of that?? Why can't it be taken off W13 as soon as that run is over and be sent to do something more productive, as W13 is never exactly in that much demand other than that one run?
Also, I wonder why is it always 26 getting a beating and not the less busier 388… 🤔 Probably of how duties are set up though, I presume.
I can't add too much other than at the moment several Cities are off the road.
P.S. I seriously worry that at this point 20 is guaranteed to have odd single-deckers do it 😬
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