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Post by greenboy on Jan 12, 2020 16:54:52 GMT
>>> I hate non London buses and have done for a very long time <<< I'm not letting that little gem slip by without a comment. Whilst there are large areas of the UK where buses are in the doldrums, there are also dynamic operations that are exciting and different and a contrast to the staid, boring and decidedly past-its-best operating scene in London. You say you dislike single doors. In the London context with people both boarding and alighting at almost every stop double doors make sense; but in most towns and rural areas, people are predominantly boarding on journeys into town and alighting on journeys away from town. In that context a second door is largely unnecessary, and it is easier for the driver to supervise the safety of passengers boarding and alighting with a single entrance/exit. Before you write off everything outside London, take yourself to Cambridge and have a ride on one of those stupendous three-axle ADL Enviro400XLBs on the Cambridgeshire Busway. Go to Grays or Crawley and see EnsignBus and MetroBus making a stunning success of running routes after Arriva threw in the towel. Or buy a day return to Reading with a Reading PlusBus and let them show you how buses should be done. I agree, in fact I find the London bus scene a bit dull compared to some other parts of the country.
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Post by E279 on Jan 12, 2020 16:57:49 GMT
My opinion still stands. I don’t like non London buses and that’s my opinion. It’s not wrong, it’s my opinion. I agree it is your opinion, it just seems to me to be a narrow-minded one. It's disappointing that you discount what is good about the bus industry elsewhere. Again that’s your opinion, I don’t see anything good about buses elsewhere and that’s just my view.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 17:00:15 GMT
I agree it is your opinion, it just seems to me to be a narrow-minded one. It's disappointing that you discount what is good about the bus industry elsewhere. Again that’s your opinion, I don’t see anything good about buses elsewhere and that’s just my view. There are some excellent operators outside of London. Two I have had very good experience with are Blackpool Transport and Ensign buses.
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Post by E279 on Jan 12, 2020 17:02:21 GMT
Again that’s your opinion, I don’t see anything good about buses elsewhere and that’s just my view. There are some excellent operators outside of London. Two I have had very good experience with are Blackpool Transport and Ensign buses. It’s good that you all have great experiences with operators outside of London however for me I personally don’t find them interesting.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 17, 2020 0:53:32 GMT
Do CT Plus have any additional second-hand E200s yet to enter service?
Route W19's PVR increased to 18, requiring 20 vehicles in total. The original YX66 batch is 17 vehicles, plus ex-Metroline 1337/1338/1339 adds to 20.
However, route W11 also received a PVR increase to 9 (requiring 10 vehicles), but is only allocated 8.
Where do these two additional vehicles come from for the W11?
Also, how do the 57reg DASs fit into allocations, with only one needed for the 385?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 17, 2020 5:18:04 GMT
Do CT Plus have any additional second-hand E200s yet to enter service? Route W19's PVR increased to 18, requiring 20 vehicles in total. The original YX66 batch is 17 vehicles, plus ex-Metroline 1337/1338/1339 adds to 20. However, route W11 also received a PVR increase to 9 (requiring 10 vehicles), but is only allocated 8. Where do these two additional vehicles come from for the W11? Also, how do the 57reg DASs fit into allocations, with only one needed for the 385? The second DAS is a general spare.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 17, 2020 17:46:57 GMT
Do CT Plus have any additional second-hand E200s yet to enter service? Route W19's PVR increased to 18, requiring 20 vehicles in total. The original YX66 batch is 17 vehicles, plus ex-Metroline 1337/1338/1339 adds to 20. However, route W11 also received a PVR increase to 9 (requiring 10 vehicles), but is only allocated 8. Where do these two additional vehicles come from for the W11? Also, how do the 57reg DASs fit into allocations, with only one needed for the 385? The second DAS is a general spare. So which vehicles cover the W11's PVR increase?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 17, 2020 18:11:25 GMT
The second DAS is a general spare. So which vehicles cover the W11's PVR increase? No idea, maybe more secondhand buses are on the way?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 19, 2020 23:11:33 GMT
The second DAS is a general spare. So which vehicles cover the W11's PVR increase? They had buy enough buses for the W11 as from the time CT Plus took over the route it had the diverted route deferred.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2020 23:55:20 GMT
So which vehicles cover the W11's PVR increase? They had buy enough buses for the W11 as from the time CT Plus took over the route it had the diverted route deferred. Those were subsequently used to meet the D6's TVR which uses 3 9.7m examples amongst the new 10.9m examples the D6 received upon CT Plus winning it
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 24, 2020 16:15:36 GMT
1337 (one of the ex-Tower Transit E200s) has been refurbished with HCT Group logos and yellow poles. (Not my photo) Is there a reason for not refurbishing these E200s with gold poles and the red TFL moquette, to match most of HCT's fleet?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 24, 2020 20:46:43 GMT
1337 (one of the ex-Tower Transit E200s) has been refurbished with HCT Group logos and yellow poles. (Not my photo) Is there a reason for not refurbishing these E200s with gold poles and the red TFL moquette, to match most of HCT's fleet? I'd imagine cost would be the only reason - you don't get anything in return for spending extra money when refurbishing a vehicle so why spend that extra money?
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Post by rj131 on Jan 24, 2020 20:58:48 GMT
Is there a reason for not refurbishing these E200s with gold poles and the red TFL moquette, to match most of HCT's fleet? I'd imagine cost would be the only reason - you don't get anything in return for spending extra money when refurbishing a vehicle so why spend that extra money? Is gold paint more expensive than yellow paint?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 24, 2020 22:31:57 GMT
I'd imagine cost would be the only reason - you don't get anything in return for spending extra money when refurbishing a vehicle so why spend that extra money? Is gold paint more expensive than yellow paint? No but painting something is more expensive than not painting something and even then, if the handrails have been painted, it could be that they already had yellow paint as apposed to gold paint.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 25, 2020 17:26:07 GMT
Is there a reason for not refurbishing these E200s with gold poles and the red TFL moquette, to match most of HCT's fleet? I'd imagine cost would be the only reason - you don't get anything in return for spending extra money when refurbishing a vehicle so why spend that extra money? Very true but HCT are refurbishing these ex-Metroline E200s. If they are going to refurbish them, why have they not used the same interior scheme as most existing vehicles in the fleet? I would have expected HCT to simply replace the seat covers (if needed), using the TFL red moquette, and repaint the exteriors, but keep the rest of the First interior unchanged. Another anomoly with interiors in Arriva's SD fleet, though this has been from new. From around 2009/2010, all DDs in Arriva's London fleet started using a new moquette and white poles rather than yellow/orange. However most of Arriva London's SDs have had yellow poles instead with the new moquette, with the 313's 61reg ENXs instead using orange. During this time, all or most of Arriva's SDs fleet outside of London had white poles. More recently, the 312's EMCs switched to white, followed by the SLSs and earlier batches of E200MMCs, before switching back to yellow from 67reg. Don't see any reason for this when DDs in London and SDs elsewhere kept to the standard colours. I also wonder if Stagecoach will update their interior for new vehicles in London following their upcoming rebrand elsewhere. I could possibly see the 173/174 batch receiving blue poles and a new grey/blue moquette (as well as updated logos)?
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