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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2010 11:15:58 GMT
Service 311 - Withdrawn
Service 310 - Route altered to that of 310
New Service 310A Peaks only Hertford to Waltham Cross (As current 310 Service)
298 Evening Journeys Withdrawn between Potters Bar & Cranbourne Rd
392 Withdrawn
395 Some Ariva Shires Evening Journeys withdrawn
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2010 18:20:55 GMT
The 310 will now serve that Rye Park area which the 311 serves, with the 310A basically an express between Hertford and Hoddesdon on M-F peaks.
With the 392, only SM Coaches peak journeys (1 jny towards Broxbourne AM, return Harlow PM) are being withdrawn, which are operated commercially. The Roadrunner Coaches (sister company to SM) 392 is not being withdrawn, and that is partly under contract to Essex CC.
Also, there has recently been a C3X service introduced, which is similar to the C3 but does not serve Hunsdon, Rye Park or parts of Broxbourne/Cheshunt. This means Centrebus now have a 30-min service (along with the C3) from Waltham X-Harlow, and a 20-min service along the Hoddesdon-Waltham Cross corridor (with the extra C3 from Hoddesdon-Waltham Cross-Epping). Strangely, TfL are not allowing the C3X to use the bus stops in Waltham Cross bus station, so they pick up outside the bus station (although, whether or not Centrebus are following these rules is another matter).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2010 19:09:52 GMT
The 310 will now serve that Rye Park area which the 311 serves, with the 310A basically an express between Hertford and Hoddesdon on M-F peaks. With the 392, only SM Coaches peak journeys (1 jny towards Broxbourne AM, return Harlow PM) are being withdrawn, which are operated commercially. The Roadrunner Coaches (sister company to SM) 392 is not being withdrawn, and that is partly under contract to Essex CC. Also, there has recently been a C3X service introduced, which is similar to the C3 but does not serve Hunsdon, Rye Park or parts of Broxbourne/Cheshunt. This means Centrebus now have a 30-min service (along with the C3) from Waltham X-Harlow, and a 20-min service along the Hoddesdon-Waltham Cross corridor (with the extra C3 from Hoddesdon-Waltham Cross-Epping). Strangely, TfL are not allowing the C3X to use the bus stops in Waltham Cross bus station, so they pick up outside the bus station (although, whether or not Centrebus are following these rules is another matter). It is difficult to see that all these buses are making money particularly between Hertford & Broxbourne Another change but in the St Albans area is the Greenline 712/713 is being withdrawn with the exception of a single return journey. Not sure if that journey will only be operating when Butterfly World is open. It may possibly be getting a small subsidy from them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 16:50:47 GMT
It is difficult to see that all these buses are making money particularly between Hertford & Broxbourne Definatly! Centrebus introduced the other C3 journeys between Epping and Hoddesdon (meaning a 30 min freq between Waltham X and Hoddesdon), plus Roadrunner introduced the R3 competing with the C3, and then Centrebus introduced the C3X. Now Arriva are trying to compete, by serving the Rye Park area more frequently with the 310. Don't know how any of the companies can earn any money now seeing as theres so many buses. Also, on a slightly unrelated matter, the Arriva The Shires garage at Ware is going to be turned back into an Arriva East Herts & Essex garage on 13th Dec, after only recently being turned into an Arriva The Shires garage. That certainly didn't last long, what a waste of time and money. And, Intalink are ceasing production of their local guides and maps, but will still produce them on the internet. They will also still produce the individual route timetable leaflets. This is ridiculous as most people don't have a mobile phone with the internet so they can look at the info online while travelling, and some people don't even have a mobile phone. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 10:47:11 GMT
It is difficult to see that all these buses are making money particularly between Hertford & Broxbourne Definatly! Centrebus introduced the other C3 journeys between Epping and Hoddesdon (meaning a 30 min freq between Waltham X and Hoddesdon), plus Roadrunner introduced the R3 competing with the C3, and then Centrebus introduced the C3X. Now Arriva are trying to compete, by serving the Rye Park area more frequently with the 310. Don't know how any of the companies can earn any money now seeing as theres so many buses. Also, on a slightly unrelated matter, the Arriva The Shires garage at Ware is going to be turned back into an Arriva East Herts & Essex garage on 13th Dec, after only recently being turned into an Arriva The Shires garage. That certainly didn't last long, what a waste of time and money. And, Intalink are ceasing production of their local guides and maps, but will still produce them on the internet. They will also still produce the individual route timetable leaflets. This is ridiculous as most people don't have a mobile phone with the internet so they can look at the info online while travelling, and some people don't even have a mobile phone. THe general approach by Public Tranport operators is how poor a service can they get away with and still make a profit Just look at the chaos with a few inches of snow which was forcast. Basically no one prepared for it and they just throw their arms up and blame the weather. Clearly some disruption will occur in bad weather but not the total collapse of services |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 12:25:42 GMT
Definatly! Centrebus introduced the other C3 journeys between Epping and Hoddesdon (meaning a 30 min freq between Waltham X and Hoddesdon), plus Roadrunner introduced the R3 competing with the C3, and then Centrebus introduced the C3X. Now Arriva are trying to compete, by serving the Rye Park area more frequently with the 310. Don't know how any of the companies can earn any money now seeing as theres so many buses. Also, on a slightly unrelated matter, the Arriva The Shires garage at Ware is going to be turned back into an Arriva East Herts & Essex garage on 13th Dec, after only recently being turned into an Arriva The Shires garage. That certainly didn't last long, what a waste of time and money. And, Intalink are ceasing production of their local guides and maps, but will still produce them on the internet. They will also still produce the individual route timetable leaflets. This is ridiculous as most people don't have a mobile phone with the internet so they can look at the info online while travelling, and some people don't even have a mobile phone. THe general approach by Public Tranport operators is how poor a service can they get away with and still make a profit Just look at the chaos with a few inches of snow which was forcast. Basically no one prepared for it and they just throw their arms up and blame the weather. Clearly some disruption will occur in bad weather but not the total collapse of services I think you have to look at the roads in London. Had lots of snow in West Yorkshire (it started Friday night up here), but thankfully not as much as North or South Yorkshire, but all the main roads are cleared of snow and running freely - side roads are not so good, but all A roads are cleared. You see the gritters and ploughs out and aboput up here. Drivng on main roads is not an issue - even though I have over a foot in the front garden of the house I am staying in. Now the car park where I am working is an issue!!!! Think the blame lies with badly prepared southern local authorities - you can't blame the bus companies - they are the same ones up here as down south. There was one section of the A58 that was gritted, but was left of the snow ploughs routes and it caused chaos - so you need to both grit and plough in these conditions. More gritters and snow plows needed |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 18:40:12 GMT
THe general approach by Public Tranport operators is how poor a service can they get away with and still make a profit Just look at the chaos with a few inches of snow which was forcast. Basically no one prepared for it and they just throw their arms up and blame the weather. Clearly some disruption will occur in bad weather but not the total collapse of services I think you have to look at the roads in London. Had lots of snow in West Yorkshire (it started Friday night up here), but thankfully not as much as North or South Yorkshire, but all the main roads are cleared of snow and running freely - side roads are not so good, but all A roads are cleared. You see the gritters and ploughs out and aboput up here. Drivng on main roads is not an issue - even though I have over a foot in the front garden of the house I am staying in. Now the car park where I am working is an issue!!!! Think the blame lies with badly prepared southern local authorities - you can't blame the bus companies - they are the same ones up here as down south. There was one section of the A58 that was gritted, but was left of the snow ploughs routes and it caused chaos - so you need to both grit and plough in these conditions. More gritters and snow plows needed There is a lot of buck passing all round. The bus companies cerrtainly should take some of the blame as should local councils. The bus companies do not prepare for bad weather and frequently they cannot even get bus out of the garages as they have not cleared and gritted them buses get frozen up when they are parked outside so they cannot get them on the road and they fail to provid any information about what services are running. Council fail to grit the roads It is a sorrow catalogue of no action being taken by anyone and no responsibility being taken by anyone. Its the not our problem attitude |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 20:45:31 GMT
I think you have to look at the roads in London. Had lots of snow in West Yorkshire (it started Friday night up here), but thankfully not as much as North or South Yorkshire, but all the main roads are cleared of snow and running freely - side roads are not so good, but all A roads are cleared. You see the gritters and ploughs out and aboput up here. Drivng on main roads is not an issue - even though I have over a foot in the front garden of the house I am staying in. Now the car park where I am working is an issue!!!! Think the blame lies with badly prepared southern local authorities - you can't blame the bus companies - they are the same ones up here as down south. There was one section of the A58 that was gritted, but was left of the snow ploughs routes and it caused chaos - so you need to both grit and plough in these conditions. More gritters and snow plows needed There is a lot of buck passing all round. The bus companies cerrtainly should take some of the blame as should local councils. The bus companies do not prepare for bad weather and frequently they cannot even get bus out of the garages as they have not cleared and gritted them buses get frozen up when they are parked outside so they cannot get them on the road and they fail to provid any information about what services are running. Council fail to grit the roads It is a sorrow catalogue of no action being taken by anyone and no responsibility being taken by anyone. Its the not our problem attitude The bus companies do what they can to provide a service, their hands are tied with health and safety rules and insurance restrictions. Overall Bob we have to look at the main culprit to blame and that is the last government as they squandered every last penny we had as a country and now we cannot afford to protect ourselves in the instance of snow. Anyway we are getting far off the topic in this thread. This needs to be moved to a thread of its own. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 14:17:44 GMT
It is difficult to see that all these buses are making money particularly between Hertford & Broxbourne Definatly! Centrebus introduced the other C3 journeys between Epping and Hoddesdon (meaning a 30 min freq between Waltham X and Hoddesdon), plus Roadrunner introduced the R3 competing with the C3, and then Centrebus introduced the C3X. Now Arriva are trying to compete, by serving the Rye Park area more frequently with the 310. Don't know how any of the companies can earn any money now seeing as theres so many buses. Also, on a slightly unrelated matter, the Arriva The Shires garage at Ware is going to be turned back into an Arriva East Herts & Essex garage on 13th Dec, after only recently being turned into an Arriva The Shires garage. That certainly didn't last long, what a waste of time and money. And, Intalink are ceasing production of their local guides and maps, but will still produce them on the internet. They will also still produce the individual route timetable leaflets. This is ridiculous as most people don't have a mobile phone with the internet so they can look at the info online while travelling, and some people don't even have a mobile phone. Well the R3 did not last long at present it is scheduled to be cancelled at the end of January |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 20:20:04 GMT
Well the R3 did not last long at present it is scheduled to be cancelled at the end of January Thats a shame! Haven't had a ride on that route yet...I want to try out the Wright Pathfinders. I wonder what will happen to them. I suppose its hard for them to compete with Centrebus and Arriva, both of which have recently improved timetables (well, Arriva haven't changed it that much). May also interest you to know...Roadrunner (under Olympus Bus And Coach Limited) are introducing a 351 (Hertford-Bishops Stortford) from 13th Dec in competition with the Centrebus 351, which is under contract to Herts CC. Roadrunner also have a few Harlow-Bishops Stortford, and Hertford-Harlow trips on their new 351. But, they have ALREADY deregistered it from 24th Jan 2011! More SM Coaches/Roadrunner withdrawals: * Roadrunner (under Olympus) route M2 (Harlow-Staple Tye circular, in competition with Network Harlow routes 2/3) will be withdrawn from 8th Jan 2011 * Roadrunner (under Olympus) route M4 (Harlow-Latton Bush, in competition with Network Harlow route 4) will be withdrawn from 8th Jan 2011. Although, more routes have been registered: * SM Coaches routes 19/20 (Harlow-Epping/Ongar) will have a new timetable, incorporating route 21 which will extend to Brentwood, meaning heavier competition with Arriva's 501. * Roadrunner (under Roadrunner Coaches Limited) have registered route 1 (Harlow-Katherines & Sumners) from 8th Jan 2011, in competition with Network Harlow route 1/1A. SM recently withdrew routes 1/31, and extended routes 19/20 within Harlow to the Katherines & Sumners estates. The new route 1 will obviously take over the section between Katherines & Sumners and Harlow Town Centre from the 19/20. The whole SM/Roadrunner operations never cease to interest me! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 12:22:08 GMT
Well the R3 did not last long at present it is scheduled to be canceled at the end of January Thats a shame! Haven't had a ride on that route yet...I want to try out the Wright Pathfinders. I wonder what will happen to them. I suppose its hard for them to compete with Centrebus and Arriva, both of which have recently improved timetables (well, Arriva haven't changed it that much). May also interest you to know...Roadrunner (under Olympus Bus And Coach Limited) are introducing a 351 (Hertford-Bishops Stortford) from 13th Dec in competition with the Centrebus 351, which is under contract to Herts CC. Roadrunner also have a few Harlow-Bishops Stortford, and Hertford-Harlow trips on their new 351. But, they have ALREADY deregistered it from 24th Jan 2011! More SM Coaches/Roadrunner withdrawals: * Roadrunner (under Olympus) route M2 (Harlow-Staple Tye circular, in competition with Network Harlow routes 2/3) will be withdrawn from 8th Jan 2011 * Roadrunner (under Olympus) route M4 (Harlow-Latton Bush, in competition with Network Harlow route 4) will be withdrawn from 8th Jan 2011. Although, more routes have been registered: * SM Coaches routes 19/20 (Harlow-Epping/Ongar) will have a new timetable, incorporating route 21 which will extend to Brentwood, meaning heavier competition with Arriva's 501. * Roadrunner (under Roadrunner Coaches Limited) have registered route 1 (Harlow-Katherines & Sumners) from 8th Jan 2011, in competition with Network Harlow route 1/1A. SM recently withdrew routes 1/31, and extended routes 19/20 within Harlow to the Katherines & Sumners estates. The new route 1 will obviously take over the section between Katherines & Sumners and Harlow Town Centre from the 19/20. The whole SM/Roadrunner operations never cease to interest me! ;D The situation in the Harlow area is not good with constant changes every few weeks. It looks as if Arriva are giving up their predatory pricing which was clearly loss making. They may have had regulatory pressure applied |
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