Hertford Bus Changes

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Golden Boy Coaches appear to have given up most if not all of their bus service. No indication of who will pick them up. Most if not all of the routes have a PVR of 1. I would guess most likely Arriva Or Cntre Bus will pick them up. I suspect though that Arriva will be to expensive. Money is tigh and the councils are looking for the cheapest deal

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Not sure where you got this information from, but it seems it might be due to Herts CC tender awards (seeing as all Golden Boy bus routes are contract routes), although might just be Golden Boy giving up bus work.

The Ware local bus routes (M1, M2, M4, M5), operated by Golden Boy, have already been re-registered with Centrebus.

I suspect the next Intalink bulletin will give some more clear information about this.

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Jan 25, 2011 22:55:32 GMT @truffles1234 said:

Not sure where you got this information from, but it seems it might be due to Herts CC tender awards (seeing as all Golden Boy bus routes are contract routes), although might just be Golden Boy giving up bus work.

The Ware local bus routes (M1, M2, M4, M5), operated by Golden Boy, have already been re-registered with Centrebus.

I suspect the next Intalink bulletin will give some more clear information about this.

Looks as if Centre Bus have picked up the 395 Contract journeys as well. That just seems to leave the 324 outstanding

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Jan 27, 2011 17:50:54 GMT bob said:

Jan 25, 2011 22:55:32 GMT @truffles1234 said:

Not sure where you got this information from, but it seems it might be due to Herts CC tender awards (seeing as all Golden Boy bus routes are contract routes), although might just be Golden Boy giving up bus work.

The Ware local bus routes (M1, M2, M4, M5), operated by Golden Boy, have already been re-registered with Centrebus.

I suspect the next Intalink bulletin will give some more clear information about this.

Looks as if Centre Bus have picked up the 395 Contract journeys as well. That just seems to leave the 324 outstanding

That could mean that Herts CC are withdrawing the 324 (they are making a lot of bus cuts), although that would leave Hertford Heath without a bus service. It will be interesting if it does continue and what company will operate it - I doubt Arriva would, as they seem to be reducing their services. SM Coaches might operate it, as they already operate a Herts CC contract, and routes around Broxbourne and Hertford. We will have to wait and see.

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Jan 28, 2011 16:19:42 GMT @truffles1234 said:

Jan 27, 2011 17:50:54 GMT bob said:

Looks as if Centre Bus have picked up the 395 Contract journeys as well. That just seems to leave the 324 outstanding

That could mean that Herts CC are withdrawing the 324 (they are making a lot of bus cuts), although that would leave Hertford Heath without a bus service. It will be interesting if it does continue and what company will operate it - I doubt Arriva would, as they seem to be reducing their services. SM Coaches might operate it, as they already operate a Herts CC contract, and routes around Broxbourne and Hertford. We will have to wait and see.

Now confirmed that Centre Bus have picked up the 333 & 324

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Jan 31, 2011 11:21:24 GMT bob said:

Jan 28, 2011 16:19:42 GMT @truffles1234 said:

That could mean that Herts CC are withdrawing the 324 (they are making a lot of bus cuts), although that would leave Hertford Heath without a bus service. It will be interesting if it does continue and what company will operate it - I doubt Arriva would, as they seem to be reducing their services. SM Coaches might operate it, as they already operate a Herts CC contract, and routes around Broxbourne and Hertford. We will have to wait and see.

Now confirmed that Centre Bus have picked up the 333 & 324

Thanks Bob. I would have prefered Golden Boy to keep the services, they seem a better company than Centrebus (even if they are a much smaller company than Centrebus).

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Jan 31, 2011 16:31:10 GMT @truffles1234 said:

Jan 31, 2011 11:21:24 GMT bob said:

Now confirmed that Centre Bus have picked up the 333 & 324

Thanks Bob. I would have prefered Golden Boy to keep the services, they seem a better company than Centrebus (even if they are a much smaller company than Centrebus).

The 324 always seems to be a pretty pointless service. I would have thought it would have been better to extend it to Harlow but I guess that would remove the Harlow service from the Hundred Acres. Maybe the 310 could be diverted to Harloww along the A414.

I doubt they would do anything sensible like that though

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I'm guessing you mean extending the 324 via Nazeing, like the 392 does. I'm not sure this would really work, seeing as there already is a Harlow to Hertford route via the A414 (Sm Coaches route 524). Also, the 310 would have to compete with the C3 by going to Harlow instead of Harlow. It would also leave Hertford without a service to Waltham Cross.

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Feb 2, 2011 21:52:54 GMT @truffles1234 said:

I'm guessing you mean extending the 324 via Nazeing, like the 392 does. I'm not sure this would really work, seeing as there already is a Harlow to Hertford route via the A414 (Sm Coaches route 524). Also, the 310 would have to compete with the C3 by going to Harlow instead of Harlow. It would also leave Hertford without a service to Waltham Cross.

Not suggesting all go to Harlow just 1 bus an hour

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Feb 4, 2011 17:53:11 GMT bob said:

Feb 2, 2011 21:52:54 GMT @truffles1234 said:

I'm guessing you mean extending the 324 via Nazeing, like the 392 does. I'm not sure this would really work, seeing as there already is a Harlow to Hertford route via the A414 (Sm Coaches route 524). Also, the 310 would have to compete with the C3 by going to Harlow instead of Harlow. It would also leave Hertford without a service to Waltham Cross.

Not suggesting all go to Harlow just 1 bus an hour

Yeah, maybe they should number it 310B like that route in the past operated by Metroline.

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Feb 4, 2011 20:13:49 GMT @truffles1234 said:

Feb 4, 2011 17:53:11 GMT bob said:

Not suggesting all go to Harlow just 1 bus an hour

Yeah, maybe they should number it 310B like that route in the past operated by Metroline.

The primary purpose of the 324 seems to be to provide a service between Hertford Heath & Hertford but they only want to presumably provide an hourly service so they extend it down to Broxbourne but how many people will want to travel between Hertford Heath and Broxbourne

The best approach iin my view is the combining of the 392 & 324 & the combining of one of the 310 journeys with the 524 but of course there is no practicable way of doing it as seperate companies operate them

I think that would be a better option then the current services & would involve little if any extra cost

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Feb 6, 2011 9:56:50 GMT bob said:

Feb 4, 2011 20:13:49 GMT @truffles1234 said:

Yeah, maybe they should number it 310B like that route in the past operated by Metroline.

The primary purpose of the 324 seems to be to provide a service between Hertford Heath & Hertford but they only want to presumably provide an hourly service so they extend it down to Broxbourne but how many people will want to travel between Hertford Heath and Broxbourne

The best approach iin my view is the combining of the 392 & 324 & the combining of one of the 310 journeys with the 524 but of course there is no practicable way of doing it as seperate companies operate them

I think that would be a better option then the current services & would involve little if any extra cost

I think the 392 did used to operate between Hertford and Harlow via Hertford Heath. That would be a lengthy route though, especially as the 392 goes all around some of the Harlow estates before reaching the town centre.
And yes, it would be difficult to combine the 524 and one journey of the 310, seeing as they are different operators, and both are commercial. But, I think there would still need to be a direct link between Hertford and Harlow, as many people use the service between those destinations, and many people get off at Ware for one of the Uni of Herts campuses.

On another note, UNO have won the contract for the 700 between Stevenage and Stansted Airport! This is quite a peculiar route, operating daily every 2 hours, running late into the night, limited stop, and is very long. They have also won the contract for Hardenden local rotues HA1/HA2, route 101 evening journeys from Luton to Stevenage, and they have also registered a 712 from Hatfield to London Victoria!! I think the 712 will be popular with students to get to London, especially compared to the unreliable and expensive mainline railway services from Hatfield.
Interesting how an university-owned bus company has expanded over the years.

EDIT: Bob, the 324 is in fact being extended to Harlow via the 392! Interesting stuff. I'm guessing the 392 will go now, although its only partially funded by Essex CC, not under contract.

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Feb 6, 2011 11:56:39 GMT @truffles1234 said:

Feb 6, 2011 9:56:50 GMT bob said:

The primary purpose of the 324 seems to be to provide a service between Hertford Heath & Hertford but they only want to presumably provide an hourly service so they extend it down to Broxbourne but how many people will want to travel between Hertford Heath and Broxbourne

The best approach iin my view is the combining of the 392 & 324 & the combining of one of the 310 journeys with the 524 but of course there is no practicable way of doing it as seperate companies operate them

I think that would be a better option then the current services & would involve little if any extra cost

I think the 392 did used to operate between Hertford and Harlow via Hertford Heath. That would be a lengthy route though, especially as the 392 goes all around some of the Harlow estates before reaching the town centre.
And yes, it would be difficult to combine the 524 and one journey of the 310, seeing as they are different operators, and both are commercial. But, I think there would still need to be a direct link between Hertford and Harlow, as many people use the service between those destinations, and many people get off at Ware for one of the Uni of Herts campuses.

On another note, UNO have won the contract for the 700 between Stevenage and Stansted Airport! This is quite a peculiar route, operating daily every 2 hours, running late into the night, limited stop, and is very long. They have also won the contract for Hardenden local rotues HA1/HA2, route 101 evening journeys from Luton to Stevenage, and they have also registered a 712 from Hatfield to London Victoria!! I think the 712 will be popular with students to get to London, especially compared to the unreliable and expensive mainline railway services from Hatfield.
Interesting how an university-owned bus company has expanded over the years.

EDIT: Bob, the 324 is in fact being extended to Harlow via the 392! Interesting stuff. I'm guessing the 392 will go now, although its only partially funded by Essex CC, not under contract.

I assume it will take a roundabout route as I doubt they would withdraw the 392 for the Hundred Acres

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I've heard the section from Broxbourne to Harlow will just be for driver changeovers, so the route doesn't have so much dead mileage. Just a rumour though.

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Feb 7, 2011 17:18:09 GMT @truffles1234 said:

I've heard the section from Broxbourne to Harlow will just be for driver changeovers, so the route doesn't have so much dead mileage. Just a rumour though.

Now Confirmed. It will probably use the 392 Route number may be 392A It will run between Hertford via Hertford Hearth to Harlow Bus station. It will not serve the Hundred Acres or Rye Park. It will also not serve Broxbourne Station itselfs although it will top nearbye

In conjunction with the Roadrunner 392 much of the route will have a 30 minute service