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Post by LK65EBO on Dec 8, 2019 11:20:46 GMT
There was an accident with a double decker in Sunbury Village. They are banned due to resident complaints. Its such a shame deckers are banned as the 216 is a great route but it can't be appreciated properly on single deckers. If there is a DD conversion on the cards at FW I can only see it being the 371, the only other option would be the 411 which whilst not impossible, and whilst it would certainly be a welcome change, seems unlikely. FW and HH have done it before so it isn’t impossible
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Post by snowman on Dec 8, 2019 11:59:20 GMT
It has been reported that double deckers are now banned from the 216 for some reason? There was an accident with a double decker in Sunbury Village. They are banned due to resident complaints. This double deck part is irrelevant to the accident in question, as it involved an elderly pedestrian in the road Residents often moan at noisy buses, but part of the 216 route in Sunbury has double decks on route 635
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Post by LK65EBO on Dec 8, 2019 12:30:31 GMT
There was an accident with a double decker in Sunbury Village. They are banned due to resident complaints. This double deck part is irrelevant to the accident in question, as it involved an elderly pedestrian in the road Residents often moan at noisy buses, but part of the 216 route in Sunbury has double decks on route 635 The 635 has different routing at Sunbury to the 216, 235 and 290 so the 635 is allowed with double decks.
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 8, 2019 12:39:36 GMT
Its such a shame deckers are banned as the 216 is a great route but it can't be appreciated properly on single deckers. If there is a DD conversion on the cards at FW I can only see it being the 371, the only other option would be the 411 which whilst not impossible, and whilst it would certainly be a welcome change, seems unlikely. FW and HH have done it before so it isn’t impossible Wouldn’t rule 411 out. EB when they had it habitually put E400s on the route.
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Post by LK65EBO on Dec 8, 2019 12:40:14 GMT
This double deck part is irrelevant to the accident in question, as it involved an elderly pedestrian in the road Residents often moan at noisy buses, but part of the 216 route in Sunbury has double decks on route 635 The 635 has different routing at Sunbury to the 216, 235 and 290 so the 635 is allowed with double decks plus the 635 only runs in Sunbury for about 10 minutes until it has to do its dead run back to HH.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 12:58:31 GMT
H98 really needs bigger buses, or the frequency restored. I know the 278 now follows, but from what I've seen today, Hounslow is the main objective.
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Post by snowman on Dec 8, 2019 13:41:37 GMT
The 635 has different routing at Sunbury to the 216, 235 and 290 so the 635 is allowed with double decks plus the 635 only runs in Sunbury for about 10 minutes until it has to do its dead run back to HH. The people of Sunbury were quite clever, by requesting routes like 216 and 235 are single deck, the capacity is reduced, so frequency is higher. Of course in a sane world would simply use longer single deck buses, but TfL has a system of fixed capacity buses, and routings are often for customer convenience, but sections like Hampton station cause sharp turns that restrict bus length
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Post by E279 on Dec 8, 2019 14:40:54 GMT
Appears that some sort of DLE shuffle is happening. 216 is all DE so far and only one 18 reg is in use this morning. Wondering if the DMEs are heading to FW along with some older DEs? Would free up the DLEs to go elsewhere? I get the feeling the 440 could run off DLE/DME with 7 of the DMEs being swapped for DLEs and the DMEs forming the 326s contract. The 272 releases 9 buses.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 8, 2019 14:42:01 GMT
H98 really needs bigger buses, or the frequency restored. I know the 278 now follows, but from what I've seen today, Hounslow is the main objective. If demand for Hounslow-Hayes travel continues to grow it seems decking the H98 is a must. The route is very busy, and let's not forget it shadows many busy routes so can give a route like the 81, which is known to carry crush loads, some much needed relief. It can also help between Hayes & Harlington and Harlington Corner if the 90 and 278 are struggling come Monday, I wouldn't be surprised if the 278 struggles, considering its running at a lower frequency than the 140, and if a 278 comes first after a 140 has terminated at Hayes & Harlington then that bus will get swarmed. Would be nice if X140s were timed to connect with terminating 140s to help alleviate this problem, but of course in practice this is very difficult, as I saw first hand yesterday, the headways on the X140 are hard to maintain, with the problem being exacerbated by temporary traffic lights in Hayes.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 8, 2019 15:07:32 GMT
The people of Sunbury were quite clever, by requesting routes like 216 and 235 are single deck, the capacity is reduced, so frequency is higher. Of course in a sane world would simply use longer single deck buses, but TfL has a system of fixed capacity buses, and routings are often for customer convenience, but sections like Hampton station cause sharp turns that restrict bus length There is nothing wrong with using double deckers where needed though so that’s not the issue here - the issue is far too much sway is given to small groups of residents over people who actually use & rely on the bus. Long single deckers are ideal for busy routes which have a restriction that means double deckers can’t be used such as the 227, 358, H37, etc.
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Post by Gary on Dec 9, 2019 8:32:49 GMT
Appears to be BAU at FW today with the DLEs. Almost all 18 reg are out.
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Post by rj131 on Dec 9, 2019 8:51:53 GMT
Appears to be BAU at FW today with the DLEs. Almost all 18 reg are out. BAU? EDIT: oh business as usual lol
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Post by E279 on Dec 9, 2019 10:07:17 GMT
RATP have been getting the VOR 60 reg ADHs back in service quite quickly:
ADH45005 has returned from being VOR since August. ADH45021 has returned from being Fire Damaged last year.
ADH45011 was last seen on Halloween so should imagine this is a VOR bus.
ADH45007 & ADH45019 have not been seen since the 5th December so hopefully these are just small fixes.
Are E3 refurbs complete or are there some yet to be refurbished?
What is the PVR of the E3? Is it 18 or 20?
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Post by snowman on Dec 9, 2019 10:13:29 GMT
Suprisingly after the introduction of 266 and 306 there are quite a few ADEs and ADHs that haven't been used for few days, would have thought any refurbs would have been scheduled to be done before start of these routes, not sure why so many not in service ADE 40402, 13, 36, 69 ADH 45006, 07, 11, 19, 23, 26, 32, 34
Meanwhile seems that 5 of the latest VHs have moved from 65 (VH 45313-45317) but clearly wouldn't have been needed if some of above 12 were available
The rationalisation of 391 has resulted in the whole 272 fleet (DME 30373-30381) being out of service, not sure how long they will be out, but as they are only few months old obviously do not need any refurb
Epsom seems to have 5 OMs (20230, 31, 32, 36, 37) out of use Epsom is now using just 3 Versa (30072, 74, 78) and one solo (20247)
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Post by E279 on Dec 9, 2019 10:41:05 GMT
Suprisingly after the introduction of 266 and 306 there are quite a few ADEs and ADHs that haven't been used for few days, would have thought any refurbs would have been scheduled to be done before start of these routes, not sure why so many not in service ADE 40402, 13, 36, 69 ADH 45006, 07, 11, 19, 23, 26, 32, 34 Meanwhile seems that 5 of the latest VHs have moved from 65 (VH 45313-45317) but clearly wouldn't have been needed if some of above 12 were available The rationalisation of 391 has resulted in the whole 272 fleet (DME 30373-30381) being out of service, not sure how long they will be out, but as they are only few months old obviously do not need any refurb Epsom seems to have 5 OMs (20230, 31, 32, 36, 37) out of use Epsom is now using just 3 Versa (30072, 74, 78) and one solo (20247) All the ADEs were done I believe. There is a picture on Flickr of an ADH at Hants and Dorset Trim. I believe only 1 or 2 are yet to be completed for the 266. The 220s buses are in a great state luckily as they have not long been refurbished and RP seem to have great bus presentation. All ADEs apart from 1 have arrived at RP, the one not arrived is refurbished however busdryver had mentioned that it will be a late arrival, as for the rest of the ADEs ADE 40402, 13, 36 are not due for refurb so whatever they are off the road for is most likely mechanical. ADE404069 is at RP and entered service on the 220 and is refurbished so either is having tracking issues or mechanical as it went out at 5 PM. Only awaiting 1 ADH to arrive which seems to be the one at the trim. Should imagine the 19 reg VHs at RP will be brief and will return to the 65 early next year at the latest.
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