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Post by WSD3 on Jan 26, 2020 13:08:13 GMT
there was some problem with cooling system with the OME's Oh, should have been more specific. When I referred to electric buses I was talking about the BYD Enviro 400EVs. I can't see any reason why there was such a huge delay on them arriving in service as charging ports at the garage had already been done with their BELs for the 46. All of the BYD enviro 400s are in service. The reason why BDE2613 took forever to enter service was because ADL was using it as a test bed.
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Post by redexpress on Jan 26, 2020 14:09:13 GMT
there was some problem with cooling system with the OME's Oh, should have been more specific. When I referred to electric buses I was talking about the BYD Enviro 400EVs. I can't see any reason why there was such a huge delay on them arriving in service as charging ports at the garage had already been done with their BELs for the 46. They are the very first batch of buses of a brand new type, and one that is totally different to anything that had been built previously. It was always going to take a while to get the first batch produced, not least so that teething troubles could be ironed out while production was still ongoing.
It was the same with the first batch of E200EVs for the 507/521 - these were phased in over several months, effectively being delivered in three separate tranches IIRC. Once that first batch was out of the way, subsequent batches were able to be built just as quickly as the equivalent diesels.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 26, 2020 14:28:16 GMT
Why are Metroline struggling to get electric buses in quickly? there was some problem with cooling system with the OME's Any source for this or yet another rumour?
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Post by snowman on Jan 26, 2020 14:34:28 GMT
there was some problem with cooling system with the OME's Any source for this or yet another rumour? Same problem on the demonstrator in Jersey. Was published in a bus mag article. Software was overprotective and shut whole bus down. As with all software changes not an instant fix unlike something physical like using bigger cable connector.
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 26, 2020 14:42:17 GMT
Any source for this or yet another rumour? Same problem on the demonstrator in Jersey. Was published in a bus mag article. Software was overprotective and shut whole bus down. As with all software changes not an instant fix unlike something physical like using bigger cable connector. I know there was problems with the Jersey demonstrator, but have we had confirmation the Metroline batch have the same issue?
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Post by snowman on Jan 26, 2020 15:12:14 GMT
Same problem on the demonstrator in Jersey. Was published in a bus mag article. Software was overprotective and shut whole bus down. As with all software changes not an instant fix unlike something physical like using bigger cable connector. I know there was problems with the Jersey demonstrator, but have we had confirmation the Metroline batch have the same issue? The problems in Jersey were only worked out after the first few Metroline OMEs had been delivered so likely
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 15:27:35 GMT
440 seems even better used now it goes to Wembley, I was observing some in Acton a few weeks ago. wonder whether if patronage increases further, it could get DDs in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 15:30:30 GMT
LOTs online news page (updated today 26 Jan) is suggesting the BCEs will start to enter service on 94 from Saturday 1st Feb Why are Metroline struggling to get electric buses in quickly? It didn't say they'll all be entering service on the 1st of Feb. Afaik, the 94 batch is much smaller than the 43s and 134s batches and (S) has a better interior layout than that of HT and PB, I went there in 2014, and was told that space has started to be provisioned for any major change to the fleet within the garage. They must have known beforehand that at some point it would get buses that would require some sort of infrastructure change.
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Post by snowman on Jan 26, 2020 16:37:21 GMT
Why are Metroline struggling to get electric buses in quickly? It didn't say they'll all be entering service on the 1st of Feb. Afaik, the 94 batch is much smaller than the 43s and 134s batches and (S) has a better interior layout than that of HT and PB, I went there in 2014, and was told that space has started to be provisioned for any major change to the fleet within the garage. They must have known beforehand that at some point it would get buses that would require some sort of infrastructure change. Had the changeover been in one go, I think S would have struggled to accommodate 29 extra buses But space does suggest that won’t be long before some of the 94s existing buses need to move out, unlikely at first until a few BCEs have bedded in, but once a handful are in regular service, I can see the existing fleet moving onto other routes. The unrefurbished SPs and 2007 ADEs must be entering borrowed time once BCEs enter service
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 26, 2020 16:41:04 GMT
It didn't say they'll all be entering service on the 1st of Feb. Afaik, the 94 batch is much smaller than the 43s and 134s batches and (S) has a better interior layout than that of HT and PB, I went there in 2014, and was told that space has started to be provisioned for any major change to the fleet within the garage. They must have known beforehand that at some point it would get buses that would require some sort of infrastructure change. Had the changeover been in one go, I think S would have struggled to accommodate 29 extra buses But space does suggest that won’t be long before some of the 94s existing buses need to move out, unlikely at first until a few BCEs have bedded in, but once a handful are in regular service, I can see the existing fleet moving onto other routes. The unrefurbished SPs and 2007 ADEs must be entering borrowed time once BCEs enter service A phased conversion as vehicles are delivered and made ready for service is the most efficient way of renewing an allocation if the route is not going to another operator. An overnight changeover can look spectacular, but you need to have somewhere to store the things! Not to mention the staff to carry out the vehicle movements.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 26, 2020 17:13:38 GMT
Why are Metroline struggling to get electric buses in quickly? It didn't say they'll all be entering service on the 1st of Feb. Afaik, the 94 batch is much smaller than the 43s and 134s batches and (S) has a better interior layout than that of HT and PB, I went there in 2014, and was told that space has started to be provisioned for any major change to the fleet within the garage. They must have known beforehand that at some point it would get buses that would require some sort of infrastructure change. It's 8 smaller than the 37 BDE's for the 43 & just 2 smaller than the 31 OME's for the 134 - at the end of the day, any new time will likely need extra time because inevitably with something that isn't so familiar, teething issues will crop up that causes delays as we are saw with the BDE's & OME's. Couple that with what you say regarding garage layouts and it's no surprise it's take this long
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Post by paulo on Jan 26, 2020 17:24:28 GMT
This month's TLB refers to more DE shuffles due involving those allocated to route 72 & 395. Maybe spare VHs will be retained to upgrade single-deck routes such as 423 & H98, and a resulting cascade such as: * routes upgraded from DE to DEL, notably route 72 and possibly others such as route 33 * route 72 losing ex-London Sovereign DEs back to London Sovereign to replace ex-London United DEs on routes 326, 395 and H9/10 * route 440 going DEL, releasing DMEs in addition to those ex-route 272 for the same purpose * as so may SPs have been upgraded to Euro VI these may as well stay until future tenders require their replacement. Think you mean DLE mate😂👌🏾 I heard before Xmas that the 216 was being considered for a double decking. Loadings continue to increase as more houses are built along the route. Other consideration was adding DDs for the school working but doesn’t add enough capacity evidently. H98 must be the favourite though but perhaps with those off of the 139. I’m not sure the 285 releases enough for that and the 423?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:09:03 GMT
This month's TLB refers to more DE shuffles due involving those allocated to route 72 & 395. Maybe spare VHs will be retained to upgrade single-deck routes such as 423 & H98, and a resulting cascade such as: * routes upgraded from DE to DEL, notably route 72 and possibly others such as route 33 * route 72 losing ex-London Sovereign DEs back to London Sovereign to replace ex-London United DEs on routes 326, 395 and H9/10 * route 440 going DEL, releasing DMEs in addition to those ex-route 272 for the same purpose * as so may SPs have been upgraded to Euro VI these may as well stay until future tenders require their replacement. If the H98 does get converted to double deck, any ideas of what will happen to the OCEs🤔?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:17:01 GMT
Think you mean DLE mate😂👌🏾 I heard before Xmas that the 216 was being considered for a double decking. Loadings continue to increase as more houses are built along the route. Other consideration was adding DDs for the school working but doesn’t add enough capacity evidently. H98 must be the favourite though but perhaps with those off of the 139. I’m not sure the 285 releases enough for that and the 423? There would be enough VHs to convert the 423 and H98, the 285 is currently allocated 18 VHs with the 2 VHs (from the 285) at S for the 94. So I'm predicting that the following would be: - 8 VHs from the 285 to go to the 423 (TVR of 423 is 8) which leaves 10 VHs from the 285 which would go to the H98 as it will need 4 more VHs to complete the TVR the remaining 4 surely would come from the 94
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Post by LK65EBO on Jan 26, 2020 18:47:37 GMT
I heard before Xmas that the 216 was being considered for a double decking. Loadings continue to increase as more houses are built along the route. Other consideration was adding DDs for the school working but doesn’t add enough capacity evidently. H98 must be the favourite though but perhaps with those off of the 139. I’m not sure the 285 releases enough for that and the 423? There would be enough VHs to convert the 423 and H98, the 285 is currently allocated 18 VHs with the 2 VHs (from the 285) at S for the 94. So I'm predicting that the following would be: - 8 VHs from the 285 to go to the 423 (TVR of 423 is 8) which leaves 10 VHs from the 285 which would go to the H98 as it will need 4 more VHs to complete the TVR the remaining 4 surely would come from the 94 Would you transfer the H98 to HH?
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