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Post by rif153 on Jan 26, 2020 18:55:08 GMT
I doubt those could, but a few other LU routes could move north eg 72 & 220 to RP, and 105 & H98 to SO I thought RP was full after the 266 was won by London United. I think that it would be more logical to balance work out. RP is bursting whilst other garages have ample empty space, I think it makes more sense to move routes like the 283 and 440 to V even if its only part of the route's allocation. However, I do recognise that operating costs are a factor and that it may cost more to those routes from V than it does from RP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:57:39 GMT
There would be enough VHs to convert the 423 and H98, the 285 is currently allocated 18 VHs with the 2 VHs (from the 285) at S for the 94. So I'm predicting that the following would be: - 8 VHs from the 285 to go to the 423 (TVR of 423 is 8) which leaves 10 VHs from the 285 which would go to the H98 as it will need 4 more VHs to complete the TVR the remaining 4 surely would come from the 94 Would you transfer the H98 to HH? No, there's no need to transfer the H98 but I do get why you asked me that in order to standardise the fleet but I'd keep the H98 at AV
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Post by rj131 on Jan 26, 2020 19:01:02 GMT
I thought RP was full after the 266 was won by London United. I think that it would be more logical to balance work out. RP is bursting whilst other garages have ample empty space, I think it makes more sense to move routes like the 283 and 440 to V even if its only part of the route's allocation. However, I do recognise that operating costs are a factor and that it may cost more to those routes from V than it does from RP. Looking at it as an outsider I find it hard to see how the 283 can be ran from RP cheaper than V, the garage isn’t exactly near the terminus and its PVR is beefed up because it involves driver changeovers. I would have thought V would be closer and an easier changeover for drivers but of course if RATP would have thought it would be better operationally to run it from V they would have already moved it there
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Post by rif153 on Jan 26, 2020 19:11:47 GMT
I think that it would be more logical to balance work out. RP is bursting whilst other garages have ample empty space, I think it makes more sense to move routes like the 283 and 440 to V even if its only part of the route's allocation. However, I do recognise that operating costs are a factor and that it may cost more to those routes from V than it does from RP. Looking at it as an outsider I find it hard to see how the 283 can be ran from RP cheaper than V, the garage isn’t exactly near the terminus and its PVR is beefed up because it involves driver changeovers. I would have thought V would be closer and an easier changeover for drivers but of course if RATP would have thought it would be better operationally to run it from V they would have already moved it there I believe the route runs dead from East Acton to RP for changeovers - something the Wells House Road residents assosication are angry about (other than HS2) given the poor frequency of the 228 they understandably are frustrated to watch empty DLEs drive past. Of course V could just use any of the plethora of routes from there to Hammersmith for changeovers. However, maybe RATP aren't moving anything out of RP because the 223, 398, and H17 are all heading to SO pending the completion of expansion works over there (but I think the 223/H17 should remain at RP allowing the 258 to move to SO)
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Post by rj131 on Jan 26, 2020 19:29:54 GMT
Looking at it as an outsider I find it hard to see how the 283 can be ran from RP cheaper than V, the garage isn’t exactly near the terminus and its PVR is beefed up because it involves driver changeovers. I would have thought V would be closer and an easier changeover for drivers but of course if RATP would have thought it would be better operationally to run it from V they would have already moved it there I believe the route runs dead from East Acton to RP for changeovers - something the Wells House Road residents assosication are angry about (other than HS2) given the poor frequency of the 228 they understandably are frustrated to watch empty DLEs drive past. Of course V could just use any of the plethora of routes from there to Hammersmith for changeovers. However, maybe RATP aren't moving anything out of RP because the 223, 398, and H17 are all heading to SO pending the completion of expansion works over there (but I think the 223/H17 should remain at RP allowing the 258 to move to SO) Knew the increased PVR was to do with changeovers. But again surely that’s rather costly in extra fuel rather than putting it into V, and subsequently being able to run the route with less vehicles. Not to mention as you said the District line or lots of routes can be used for changeovers, rather than them paying for changeovers out of their own pocket in extra fuel
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Post by WSD3 on Jan 26, 2020 20:48:22 GMT
This month's TLB refers to more DE shuffles due involving those allocated to route 72 & 395. Maybe spare VHs will be retained to upgrade single-deck routes such as 423 & H98, and a resulting cascade such as: * routes upgraded from DE to DEL, notably route 72 and possibly others such as route 33 * route 72 losing ex-London Sovereign DEs back to London Sovereign to replace ex-London United DEs on routes 326, 395 and H9/10 * route 440 going DEL, releasing DMEs in addition to those ex-route 272 for the same purpose * as so may SPs have been upgraded to Euro VI these may as well stay until future tenders require their replacement. If the H98 does get converted to double deck, any ideas of what will happen to the OCEs🤔? possible go to the H37 depending on the consultation results.
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Post by LK65EBO on Jan 26, 2020 20:53:36 GMT
If the H98 does get converted to double deck, any ideas of what will happen to the OCEs🤔? possible go to the H37 depending on the consultation results. Aren’t they a bit short for a busy route like the H37?
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Post by rif153 on Jan 26, 2020 21:04:16 GMT
possible go to the H37 depending on the consultation results. Aren’t they a bit short for a busy route like the H37? True but perhaps they could be an interim measure until either more DXEs are ordered or some form of Richmond changes go ahead, however the latter seems very unlikely as the whole thing seems to be in jepoardy for the indefinite future so it'll probably be shelved.
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Post by LK65EBO on Jan 26, 2020 21:38:55 GMT
If the H98 does get converted to double deck, any ideas of what will happen to the OCEs🤔? possible go to the H37 depending on the consultation results. Or maybe S for route 72?
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Post by WSD3 on Jan 26, 2020 21:39:43 GMT
possible go to the H37 depending on the consultation results. Or maybe S for route 72? possible but I think they are going to convert S to electric.
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Post by LK65EBO on Jan 26, 2020 21:42:09 GMT
possible but I think they are going to convert S to electric. OCEs are electric and S already has charging ports.
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Post by WSD3 on Jan 26, 2020 21:45:19 GMT
With regards at Shepherds Bush (S) i can see the 72 getting electric same as the C1 and 70's so then they can intermix with each other, as for the 148 im not to sure though.
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Post by george on Jan 26, 2020 21:53:59 GMT
With regards at Shepherds Bush (S) i can see the 72 getting electric same as the C1 and 70's so then they can intermix with each other, as for the 148 im not to sure though. If RATP want to make S into a fully electric garage then moving the 148 to V maybe an option. It would also put all of RATPs LTs inside one garage.
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Post by rif153 on Jan 26, 2020 22:03:04 GMT
possible go to the H37 depending on the consultation results. Or maybe S for route 72? I don't think moving the four OCEs to S is that sensible a move as you'd have a new type at S but it would only oust some DEs, to me it makes little sense to have a DE/OCE allocation on the 72 but I do recognise that its not that outlandish an idea given S already have 36 BEs and will soon have 29 BCEs in service too.
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Post by rif153 on Jan 26, 2020 22:04:09 GMT
With regards at Shepherds Bush (S) i can see the 72 getting electric same as the C1 and 70's so then they can intermix with each other, as for the 148 im not to sure though. If RATP want to make S into a fully electric garage then moving the 148 to V maybe an option. It would also put all of RATPs LTs inside one garage. I wouldn't rule out the 148 getting electrics next time it comes up for tender, no doubt RATP will have a fight on their hands to retain the route considering that Q and WL are by the southern terminus of the route and like S also have electric infrastructure.
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