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Post by ilovelondonbuses on May 2, 2024 8:44:09 GMT
Been using route 49 a lot recently, the service is an absolute mess. Nearly every route 49 bus was terminating early at Battersea Bridge or Battersea, Latchmere Road yesterday. Even right now, there's curtailments galore on the route. There are huge gaps in service. Now, I understand there's some roadworks along the route but route C1 another RATP route from the same garage as route 49 and which goes through similar areas is operated better.
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Post by londonbuses184 on May 2, 2024 9:29:19 GMT
Why hasn’t WH45401 been used since 21-03-2024 I don't know and tbh, when the OMEs become spare this weekend I think the 452 might take them then some of the WHs could go back to Lea Interchange to complete the rest of the 97 allocation
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Post by M1104 on May 2, 2024 10:29:11 GMT
Volvo Demonstrator MVB1 made a visit to FW yesterday, the bus however back at Go Ahead today on the 213
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Post by southlondon413 on May 2, 2024 10:30:09 GMT
Volvo Demonstrator MVB1 made a visit to FW yesterday, the bus however back at Go Ahead today on the 213 Presumably a pit stop on the short tour.
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Post by ADH45258 on May 2, 2024 10:49:12 GMT
Why hasn’t WH45401 been used since 21-03-2024 I don't know and tbh, when the OMEs become spare this weekend I think the 452 might take them then some of the WHs could go back to Lea Interchange to complete the rest of the 97 allocation The 97 should in theory have enough hybrids, the main issue is the Streetdecks being unreliable, therefore needing other DDs available to cover. The 97 needs 22 vehicles for a PVR of 20, so on-paper only needs 1 more hybrid to top up the 21 WHs. And the 58 will soon release its single MV, which could cover that. Regarding the Metrodeckers, I think the logical thing would be to use them on the 295, covering the full allocation (rather than around 2 as present). This then releases the BCEs, which are standard at several garages, for further use. Though I expect the exact allocations either way won't settle down until some of the overdue tender results come out, like the 414 for example.
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Post by WH241 on May 2, 2024 10:54:40 GMT
Why hasn’t WH45401 been used since 21-03-2024 I don't know and tbh, when the OMEs become spare this weekend I think the 452 might take them then some of the WHs could go back to Lea Interchange to complete the rest of the 97 allocation This might have happened if Tower Transit still existed! Can’t see Stagecoach purchasing the Streetdecks from RATP.
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Post by WH241 on May 2, 2024 11:23:11 GMT
I don't know and tbh, when the OMEs become spare this weekend I think the 452 might take them then some of the WHs could go back to Lea Interchange to complete the rest of the 97 allocation The 97 should in theory have enough hybrids, the main issue is the Streetdecks being unreliable, therefore needing other DDs available to cover. The 97 needs 22 vehicles for a PVR of 20, so on-paper only needs 1 more hybrid to top up the 21 WHs. And the 58 will soon release its single MV, which could cover that. Regarding the Metrodeckers, I think the logical thing would be to use them on the 295, covering the full allocation (rather than around 2 as present). This then releases the BCEs, which are standard at several garages, for further use. Though I expect the exact allocations either way won't settle down until some of the overdue tender results come out, like the 414 for example. I believe it was confirmed here ex route 277 buses will provide the top up needed for the 97. I think around 4 buses are due to move to LI. You need for forget the in theory numbers as it’s well known the StreetDecks are very unreliable and need a higher number of spares.
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Post by ADH45258 on May 2, 2024 11:39:39 GMT
The 97 should in theory have enough hybrids, the main issue is the Streetdecks being unreliable, therefore needing other DDs available to cover. The 97 needs 22 vehicles for a PVR of 20, so on-paper only needs 1 more hybrid to top up the 21 WHs. And the 58 will soon release its single MV, which could cover that. Regarding the Metrodeckers, I think the logical thing would be to use them on the 295, covering the full allocation (rather than around 2 as present). This then releases the BCEs, which are standard at several garages, for further use. Though I expect the exact allocations either way won't settle down until some of the overdue tender results come out, like the 414 for example. I believe it was confirmed here ex route 277 buses will provide the top up needed for the 97. I think around 4 buses are due to move to LI. You need for forget the in theory numbers as it’s well known the StreetDecks are very unreliable and need a higher number of spares. Seems there are the same issues at other operators too, as the 44 and 452 also have more spares than usual, in both cases nothing has left following PVR cuts. The 452 only has 7 WHs so would be easy to replace, I wonder if Go Ahead might consider withdrawing their WSDs as EHs/B5LHs become available? I'm surprised Stagecoach chose to keep their WHs after the 262/473 were lost, as it will cost more to have several more spares than most routes with the same PVR. Particularly as the 97 only had one bidder, so they still would have kept it with new electrics (adding to the 58/277 order).
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Post by wirewiper on May 2, 2024 12:05:42 GMT
I believe it was confirmed here ex route 277 buses will provide the top up needed for the 97. I think around 4 buses are due to move to LI. You need for forget the in theory numbers as it’s well known the StreetDecks are very unreliable and need a higher number of spares. Seems there are the same issues at other operators too, as the 44 and 452 also have more spares than usual, in both cases nothing has left following PVR cuts. The 452 only has 7 WHs so would be easy to replace, I wonder if Go Ahead might consider withdrawing their WSDs as EHs/B5LHs become available? I'm surprised Stagecoach chose to keep their WHs after the 262/473 were lost, as it will cost more to have several more spares than most routes with the same PVR. Particularly as the 97 only had one bidder, so they still would have kept it with new electrics (adding to the 58/277 order). Hindsight is a wonderful thing though. Would Stagecoach have known they would be the only bidder when they submitted theirs?
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Post by mark on May 2, 2024 12:36:47 GMT
I'm surprised Stagecoach chose to keep their WHs after the 262/473 were lost, as it will cost more to have several more spares than most routes with the same PVR. Particularly as the 97 only had one bidder, so they still would have kept it with new electrics (adding to the 58/277 order). Stagecoach would have submitted a bid based on new battery-electrics (the compliant bid) and then a variant based on using existing vehicles which was accepted as it was cheaper (£6,081,366 vs £6,725,000). It's not clear at what stage the variant bid was made...it may have been during negotiations when the TfL team basically said "Your initial bid is too high can you come up with something else?".
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Post by mark on May 2, 2024 12:43:21 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing though. Would Stagecoach have known they would be the only bidder when they submitted theirs? I'm sure the Competition and Markets Authority would have something to say about it if they did! Given that last time the route was tendered it received four bids it would have rash for Stagecoach to have assumed that they were the only player (even if they have bought out two of the likely contenders since then!). Arriva London and London General could have been credible competitors this time round.
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Post by M1104 on May 2, 2024 12:44:30 GMT
I believe it was confirmed here ex route 277 buses will provide the top up needed for the 97. I think around 4 buses are due to move to LI. You need for forget the in theory numbers as it’s well known the StreetDecks are very unreliable and need a higher number of spares. Seems there are the same issues at other operators too, as the 44 and 452 also have more spares than usual, in both cases nothing has left following PVR cuts. The 452 only has 7 WHs so would be easy to replace, I wonder if Go Ahead might consider withdrawing their WSDs as EHs/B5LHs become available? The 44 award is soon due. If it happens to be retained with existing buses I speculate EHs or B5TLs to then cast off the WSDs
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Post by southlondonbus on May 2, 2024 15:38:47 GMT
Seems there are the same issues at other operators too, as the 44 and 452 also have more spares than usual, in both cases nothing has left following PVR cuts. The 452 only has 7 WHs so would be easy to replace, I wonder if Go Ahead might consider withdrawing their WSDs as EHs/B5LHs become available? The 44 award is soon due. If it happens to be retained with existing buses I speculate EHs or B5TLs to then cast off the WSDs Yes I was thinking that with so many spares from the 172/188 and part 22 and 88 allocations. If the 118 is to remain at SW then could all share a hybrid allocation. I still think the 452 will likely be the home for the OMEs with the 414 keeping the ADHs if retained.
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Post by COBO on May 2, 2024 15:50:24 GMT
Why hasn’t WH45401 been used since 21-03-2024 I don't know and tbh, when the OMEs become spare this weekend I think the 452 might take them then some of the WHs could go back to Lea Interchange to complete the rest of the 97 allocation I don’t think that Stagecoach will take them.
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Post by adl on May 2, 2024 16:55:57 GMT
The 452 PVR is lower than the 28s so will be around 3 spares after this, so it is entirely possible that the 414 could see a small part allocation, there have been OME workings on the 414 so would make sense if they put the remaining 3 on the 414.
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