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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 18, 2019 9:16:01 GMT
We have to remember that the SPs can still stay till 2021 and longer if they can be upgraded. Moves and the 94 potentially getting new buses can potentially wait 2 years still. The Chiswick ULEZ has already been sorted now with the VHs on the H91 and the E3 should theoretically have enough ADHs for it now.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 18, 2019 9:37:37 GMT
We have to remember that the SPs can still stay till 2021 and longer if they can be upgraded. Moves and the 94 potentially getting new buses can potentially wait 2 years still. The Chiswick ULEZ has already been sorted now with the VHs on the H91 and the E3 should theoretically have enough ADHs for it now. There is no if - as I've mentioned several times, any bus can be upgraded and two SP's have already been done. Furthermore, Sullivan Buses have confirmed they will upgrading their fleet of DS class Scanias.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 18, 2019 9:56:31 GMT
So potentially if let's say the 65 gained a full VH allocation and the ADEs went to the 79 and the 71 and 281 begin new contracts anyway in 2021 then only the ones on the 406, 111, part 183 and H32 would need upgrading. Potentially no new buses would need to be ordered apart from for tender wins/renewals. Or it could be deemed uneconomical to upgrade them and a large batch get ordered for the said routes in 2021 to oust all the Scanias.
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Post by redexpress on Mar 18, 2019 10:25:14 GMT
So potentially if let's say the 65 gained a full VH allocation and the ADEs went to the 79 and the 71 and 281 begin new contracts anyway in 2021 then only the ones on the 406, 111, part 183 and H32 would need upgrading. Potentially no new buses would need to be ordered apart from for tender wins/renewals. Or it could be deemed uneconomical to upgrade them and a large batch get ordered for the said routes in 2021 to oust all the Scanias. Why would you need to oust them in 2021? If they are still in use in October 2020 they will need to have been converted to EuroVI. Once that's been done, might as well leave them in service until they are no longer required (i.e. by contract renewal / loss).
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Post by snowman on Mar 18, 2019 10:27:13 GMT
So potentially if let's say the 65 gained a full VH allocation and the ADEs went to the 79 and the 71 and 281 begin new contracts anyway in 2021 then only the ones on the 406, 111, part 183 and H32 would need upgrading. Potentially no new buses would need to be ordered apart from for tender wins/renewals. Or it could be deemed uneconomical to upgrade them and a large batch get ordered for the said routes in 2021 to oust all the Scanias. The euroVI requirement date is October 2020, so if going to do any early replacements, they would be done by this date. Potentially about 80 of RATP Scania fleet will be upgraded to euroVI, and if they are done, no real rush to get rid of them in 2021 My personal view is there will be very few new buses (applies to all Operators) in 2021 and 2022, a pause similar to what happened 2006 - mid 2008 (after low floor conversion finished)
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 18, 2019 11:38:21 GMT
I thought it was 2021 when all blues had to be euro 6. Sorry,my bad.
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Post by thebusguy on Mar 18, 2019 16:15:39 GMT
I think their home for good is the 183 personally. I will go with that, the other option I have heard is that might move to Fulwell. The logic being that FW have Volvo hybrid chassis buses (and are getting 10 more) and have the NRM bodywork (used on 267). However as the 267 is currently awaiting tender results, I would expect no decision until that award comes out. I suspect it is all interlinked to where current 81 fleet ends up, and 94 fleet moves to, assuming 94 gets new buses. Maybe they will go to FW for 65 to convert it to full hybrid operation?
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Post by snowman on Mar 18, 2019 17:35:31 GMT
I will go with that, the other option I have heard is that might move to Fulwell. The logic being that FW have Volvo hybrid chassis buses (and are getting 10 more) and have the NRM bodywork (used on 267). However as the 267 is currently awaiting tender results, I would expect no decision until that award comes out. I suspect it is all interlinked to where current 81 fleet ends up, and 94 fleet moves to, assuming 94 gets new buses. Maybe they will go to FW for 65 to convert it to full hybrid operation? 3 already on 65, 10 more due in June, don't really need to be expert at maths to work out that about 11-12 from 94 and 6 more would allow full hybrid conversion. All just theory for now.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 18, 2019 17:38:40 GMT
How many VHs are on the 94? I seem to recall 12 (10+2 spare) TLAs were on it.
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Post by Londontransport3 on Mar 18, 2019 20:46:33 GMT
Former London United Scania Omnidekka SLE40645 Are Now with Ensignbus and Being used on London Overground Rail Replacement.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 18, 2019 22:58:32 GMT
How many VHs are on the 94? I seem to recall 12 (10+2 spare) TLAs were on it. The 94 has 14 VH's.
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Post by snowman on Mar 19, 2019 20:00:13 GMT
RATP has been gradually thinning out the remaining pre mid 2008 buses in its fleet, as these will be 12 years old by ULEZ start, and not expected to be upgraded for ULEZ
For the record : 02-reg (2) DPS 30671, 30673, 03-reg (1) DPS 30687 56-reg (9) SP 40001-40009 07-reg (34) ADE 40293-302, DE 20057-59, 61, 62, 64, 65, 75-80, 83-91, SDE 20211, 14 57-reg (none) 08-reg (22) SDE 20201-3, 5, 7-10, SP 40016-18, 26-31, 33-37
Of these 440 and 272 are due new buses for new contracts in May (covers majority of 2007 DEs), SDEs should leave after loss of E10 and E11 in May ADEs are being replaced by new VHs June-July SPs some will be spare after loss of 81 in July (assuming displaced ADEs replace SPs)
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Post by george on Mar 21, 2019 19:59:13 GMT
whether it's got anything to do with the recent cut back I'm not sure but noticed a lot of 27 bunched together today.
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Post by snowman on Mar 22, 2019 6:57:27 GMT
Anyone heard anything regarding the DXEs for H37, a while ago was suggested would arrive March, but looking like April (or later) now.
Then there is new buses due for 272 and 440 contract renewals on 25 May (9 weeks time) LOTs have advised 11 10.5m (new length to RATP) are ordered for 440 (meanwhile 10.9m versions regularly appear on 440, so why order non standard length)
but not seen any confirmation of buses ordered for 272 (or the 6 needed for 395 from 7th Sept)
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Post by thebusguy on Mar 22, 2019 7:23:55 GMT
Anyone heard anything regarding the DXEs for H37, a while ago was suggested would arrive March, but looking like April (or later) now. Then there is new buses due for 272 and 440 contract renewals on 25 May (9 weeks time) LOTs have advised 11 10.5m (new length to RATP) are ordered for 440 (meanwhile 10.9m versions regularly appear on 440, so why order non standard length) but not seen any confirmation of buses ordered for 272 (or the 6 needed for 395 from 7th Sept) We know that one DXE went from EB to AV for type training. As far as I know, there is quite a tight turn on the 440, so maybe that’s why...
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