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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 22:59:39 GMT
Why is No Standing Allowed because there is no way that it will be on time unless you are driving at 2AM to have 3 mins stand time I guess its TfL giving priority to TfL services. I suppose thats fair, especially seeing as the Olympics are coming up Although sometimes TfL can be quite unfair, seeing as at Waltham Cross Bus Station, many Hertfordshire/Essex services have had to be altered in order to serve the bus station - TWH tried to set up route 355 early last year between Waltham Cross and Harlow, but TfL did not allow them to use the bus station, and it could only pick up from the railway station, meaning the service was withdrawn soon after.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 9, 2012 12:55:36 GMT
Why is No Standing Allowed because there is no way that it will be on time unless you are driving at 2AM to have 3 mins stand time I might be wrong but reading the route list in the LSP application it says "Stand C at Stratford". I believe that no buses of any sort are allowed to stand empty on the lettered departure stands. I can only assume that TWH have not asked to use a parking bay within the bus station (cost?) and therefore TfL have stipulated a condition to say they can't block a stand used by other TfL services. Interestingly stand C is the one used by National Express coaches and the 108/ 425 so probably has the lowest level of TfL departures of any stand at Stratford. Nonetheless coaches can dwell there for a few minutes while tickets are checked, bags loaded and passengers get to their seats. You can also often get two coaches at once if they leave VCS at the same time so I can see why TfL wouldn't want a TWH vehicle in the way given National Express have served Stratford for much longer. Anyway I still think TWH will not manage to run the route reliably unless they have padded out their running time somewhat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2012 12:59:05 GMT
Why is No Standing Allowed because there is no way that it will be on time unless you are driving at 2AM to have 3 mins stand time I might be wrong but reading the route list in the LSP application it says "Stand C at Stratford". I believe that no buses of any sort are allowed to stand empty on the lettered departure stands. I can only assume that TWH have not asked to use a parking bay within the bus station (cost?) and therefore TfL have stipulated a condition to say they can't block a stand used by other TfL services. Interestingly stand C is the one used by National Express coaches and the 108/ 425 so probably has the lowest level of TfL departures of any stand at Stratford. Nonetheless coaches can dwell there for a few minutes while tickets are checked, bags loaded and passengers get to their seats. You can also often get two coaches at once if they leave VCS at the same time so I can see why TfL wouldn't want a TWH vehicle in the way given National Express have served Stratford for much longer. Anyway I still think TWH will not manage to run the route reliably unless they have padded out their running time somewhat. At the same time the CCs report said that barriers should not be put up against smaller operators like restrictions on using bus stations.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 9, 2012 14:20:46 GMT
I might be wrong but reading the route list in the LSP application it says "Stand C at Stratford". I believe that no buses of any sort are allowed to stand empty on the lettered departure stands. I can only assume that TWH have not asked to use a parking bay within the bus station (cost?) and therefore TfL have stipulated a condition to say they can't block a stand used by other TfL services. Interestingly stand C is the one used by National Express coaches and the 108/ 425 so probably has the lowest level of TfL departures of any stand at Stratford. Nonetheless coaches can dwell there for a few minutes while tickets are checked, bags loaded and passengers get to their seats. You can also often get two coaches at once if they leave VCS at the same time so I can see why TfL wouldn't want a TWH vehicle in the way given National Express have served Stratford for much longer. Anyway I still think TWH will not manage to run the route reliably unless they have padded out their running time somewhat. At the same time the CCs report said that barriers should not be put up against smaller operators like restrictions on using bus stations. I doubt that applies to TfL as London is not a deregulated area. There is no evidence in this thread that a restriction on bus station use has been created. TfL have set a condition - similar to hundreds of others that apply right across its area for entirely legitimate reasons. TfL is required to act as regulating authority for London in terms of commercial operations and also road network management and management of its own infrastructure. We have no knowledge if TfL offered TWH the opportunity to stand within the bus station and what TWH said by way of response. Let's not get ahead of ourselves in terms of "Little people" being hit with sticks by "nasty big ogres".
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Post by beaver14uk on Jan 9, 2012 18:57:54 GMT
I don't think there is the extra capacity, thats the reason plus the commercial services are a pain as they are very poorly operated - for example buses leaving their engines running as they are unable to switch them off leaking oil etc etc. Why is No Standing Allowed because there is no way that it will be on time unless you are driving at 2AM to have 3 mins stand time I guess its TfL giving priority to TfL services. I suppose thats fair, especially seeing as the Olympics are coming up Although sometimes TfL can be quite unfair, seeing as at Waltham Cross Bus Station, many Hertfordshire/Essex services have had to be altered in order to serve the bus station - TWH tried to set up route 355 early last year between Waltham Cross and Harlow, but TfL did not allow them to use the bus station, and it could only pick up from the railway station, meaning the service was withdrawn soon after.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2012 20:39:00 GMT
I can't see this service picking up many locals in the Leyton area as i assume it will not accept Oyster ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2012 22:48:22 GMT
I can't see this service picking up many locals in the Leyton area as i assume it will not accept Oyster ? Maybe there may be some passengers willing to pay with change rather than Oyster, but it would probably just be easier to wait for a London bus, especially seeing as the buses are quite frequent along there. Maybe they hope to attract workers from east London who work out in Essex, in areas such as Waltham Abbey or Harlow. I've noticed on my travels that there are quite a few people who commute out to these areas for work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2012 23:04:36 GMT
I can't see this service picking up many locals in the Leyton area as i assume it will not accept Oyster ? Maybe there may be some passengers willing to pay with change rather than Oyster, but it would probably just be easier to wait for a London bus, especially seeing as the buses are quite frequent along there. Maybe they hope to attract workers from east London who work out in Essex, in areas such as Waltham Abbey or Harlow. I've noticed on my travels that there are quite a few people who commute out to these areas for work. Well maybe they could do what Potters Bar Route 84 did. Only accept Oysters within the London area and then charging the full fare or may get a discount if an Oyster Card is shown, outside of London.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 0:22:38 GMT
Maybe there may be some passengers willing to pay with change rather than Oyster, but it would probably just be easier to wait for a London bus, especially seeing as the buses are quite frequent along there. Maybe they hope to attract workers from east London who work out in Essex, in areas such as Waltham Abbey or Harlow. I've noticed on my travels that there are quite a few people who commute out to these areas for work. Well maybe they could do what Potters Bar Route 84 did. Only accept Oysters within the London area and then charging the full fare or may get a discount if an Oyster Card is shown, outside of London. Only if TfL gives them money for accepting Oyster .... otherwise not worth while
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 18:02:36 GMT
It looks like this service willl no longer operate.
The registration for the route has been cancelled on VOSA.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 30, 2012 18:51:00 GMT
It looks like this service willl no longer operate. The registration for the route has been cancelled on VOSA. I can't say I am terribly surprised given the somewhat haphazard approach to running services that TWH and other Harlow area operators have.
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Post by lonmark on Feb 5, 2012 13:58:21 GMT
LOTS say this: 2) Hunny's new route E20 (Harlow- Stratford) due to start on 6th February has been deferred until October. Do anyone know why this is deferred until October?
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Post by john on Feb 5, 2012 14:11:19 GMT
LOTS say this: 2) Hunny's new route E20 (Harlow- Stratford) due to start on 6th February has been deferred until October. Do anyone know why this is deferred until October? One word....Olympics
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 14:42:03 GMT
LOTS say this: 2) Hunny's new route E20 (Harlow- Stratford) due to start on 6th February has been deferred until October. Do anyone know why this is deferred until October? One word....Olympics True! I was kind of thinking that was why the route was starting (To cash in on the games) I was thinking the same for the failed East End Tour
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 18:06:34 GMT
The exact date in October, according to the LSP bulletin, is 1st October 2012.
Would have been better for TWH for it to start before the Olympics (and probably would have been even better to start before the opening of Westfield), but I suppose TFL (if it was their decision to move it to October) want to minimise traffic as much as possible. It wouldn't be good if one of their buses broke down...which is quite likely lol.
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